“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay


All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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Monday, August 6, 2012

430 - Sibal in third push for one engineering test - The Telegraph


Sibal in third push for one engineering test

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New Delhi, Aug 1: The human resource development ministry has decided to set up yet another committee to study the one-nation-one-test proposal for aspiring engineers and suggest ways to get the IITs to agree to the format with some weightage to board marks.

The proposed panel, most likely to be headed by scientist C.N.R. Rao, would be the third of its kind to study the feasibility of a single entrance test since the idea was floated amid opposition from the premier tech schools.

Unlike the earlier committees, the new panel will include IIT faculty who have also been opposing the idea of giving weightage to Class XII marks because of the heterogeneity in assessment standards among school boards.

The IITs have agreed to follow a two-tier test — comprising the JEE-Main and JEE-Advanced — that will replace the IIT-JEE and the All India Engineering Entrance Examination (AIEEE) from next year.

The JEE-Main, the first-round test of the new Joint Entrance Examination, will be mandatory for students aspiring for admission to any of the centrally funded technical institutions such as the IITs, NITs and IIITs.

The JEE-Advanced will be conducted entirely by the IITs, which would then draw up a merit list based on students’ performance in the test and provided they are among the top 20 percentile holders of their respective boards and categories (general or reserved).

A student’s percentile score is obtained by dividing the number of students below him or her with the number that appeared, and multiplying the ratio by 100.

The two-tier test, to be followed by the IITs, however, defeats the one-nation-one-test idea. So HRD minister Kapil Sibal, who has been advocating a single entrance exam in engineering, started exploring ways to get the IITs on board.
In 2010, the ministry set up a committee of IIT directors headed by IIT Kharagpur’s Damodar Acharya which suggested a common test modelled on the US-based Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) and weightage to school board performance for admission to engineering and science courses.

For IITs, it suggested an add-on test after the common entrance.
The ministry then set up another committee, under science and technology secretary T. Ramasamy, which said there may be two tests — one main exam and the other an advanced test — with flexibility for institutions to select students through either the main test or both. But it suggested at least 40 per cent weightage to board marks while selecting students for admission.
Following the opposition of IIT faculty to the weightage to board marks and the one-tier entrance, the ministry felt it should include the faculty in the new committee to ensure that its recommendations would be accepted by the tech schools.

In June, Sibal held a meeting with some IIT Kanpur faculty members on this issue.

IIT Faculty Federation president K. Narasimhan said a single-entrance test might not serve the requirement of IITs. “It is good that the ministry is setting up a committee with IIT faculty members. This means there will be a thorough discussion and better analysis of the whole issue. But a single test cannot serve the requirement of the IITs. It can only be a filter,” he said.

“I do not think the IITs will agree to the idea of weightage to board marks also. The standard of syllabus, teaching and assessment procedure varies from board to board. These things have to be brought on a par,” he added.

Dheeraj Sanghi, who teaches at IIT Kanpur, said an advanced test like the IIT-JEE helps identify students who are “better”.

“In IIT-JEE, nearly 20,000 students out of the five lakh taking the test are able to score over 30 or 40 per cent. Large chunks of students score near zero. This … helps the IITs identify those students who are better,” Sanghi said.

Asked whether the IITs would agree to a one-tier common entrance if its standard was improved to the level of the IIT-JEE, Sanghi said such a test would not help lower-rung institutions. “If you make the common test a tough exam, then 70 per cent students will score close to zero. The engineering colleges in states will find it difficult to select students,” he said. “Besides, it will destroy the self-confidence of lakhs of students.”

Sunday, June 17, 2012

313 - IITs’ autonomy will not be eroded, PM assures faculty - Hindu Busioness Line


IITs’ autonomy will not be eroded, PM assures faculty

Aesha Datta


Members of the All-India Faculty Federation of the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) briefing the media after their meeting with the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, on common entrance examination for IITs in the Capital on Friday. – Ramesh Sharma

The Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, has given his assurance that the autonomy of the various Indian Institutes of Technology will not be eroded but be protected at all levels.

The assurance was given at a meeting that representatives of the All India Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Faculty Federation had with the Prime Minister here on Friday. The meeting was called to discuss the concerns related to the ‘one nation, one test' entrance examination for engineering institutes.
“We had a very fruitful discussion. The Prime Minister said that the brand IIT has to be maintained and added that as a former teacher he understands how important an institute's academic autonomy is,” Prof A.K. Mittal, Secretary, All India IIT Faculty Federation, said.

Representatives of all seven IITs were present at the meeting.
“The Prime Ministry appreciated the key concerns we have been expressing. He has agreed to take up the matter with the Human Resources Ministry. We are sure a dialogue will open up again and fruitful solutions would emerge,” Prof K. Narasimhan, President of the Federation, and Faculty at IIT-Bombay, said.
Prof Narasimhan added that though the announcement for the changes should be made at the earliest, the IITs want the reform process to start only from 2014 to enable students to prepare.

He added that the IITs are not against the inclusion of board marks but they are not convinced with the proposed normalisation process and would like the exams in 2013 to be treated as a dry-run, enabling them to analyse how inclusion of Class XII board marks changes the merit list.

The IIT Senates have been opposing the decision to hold common entrance examination, a move which had been approved by the IIT Council in May this year.

However, according to the IIT Act, 1961, the “Senate of an Institute shall have the control and general regulation, and be responsible for the maintenance, of standards of instruction, education and examination in the Institute.”

Further, according to the Act, the IIT Council is responsible for co-ordinating the activities of all the Institutes. The Act goes on to state that the Council will also “advise on matters relating to the duration of the courses, the degrees and other academic distinctions to be conferred by the Institutes, admission standards and other academic matters.”

However, at the meeting with the Prime Minister, the Federation requested that “Senates of IITs be allowed to take decision on admission in IITs (considering all relevant aspects like format of examination, modalities etc).”




Saturday, June 16, 2012

308 - IIT faculty federation meets Manmohan Singh - NEWS TRACK INDIA


IIT faculty federation meets Manmohan Singh

New Delhi, Fri, 15 Jun 2012

New Delhi, June 15 (ANI): Members of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Faculty Federation met the Prime Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh, here on Friday to discuss the Central Government's proposal of a Common Engineering Entrance exam.

Federation Secretary, A K Mittal, after the meeting said the Prime Minister has assured that he will talk to HRD Minister Kapil Sibal.
"We expressed our concerns to him, he gave us a very patient hearing and then what he told us what that he does respect the autonomy of higher education institutions. He is very much concerned and he will talk to the minister about all the issues and also requested us to continue talking and engage in dialogues, so that is what he has said," said Mittal after meeting Dr. Singh.

The Prime Minister has assured that the prestige of the IIT would not be jeopardised, as it is respected across the world.

Calling the meeting with the Prime Minister fruitful, another IIT professor, K Narasimhan, said: "We are extremely confident because our Prime Minister have appreciated the key concerns that we have been expressing and he has kindly agreed to take the matter to HRM (Human Resource Management)."
"So, we have 200 percent faith in our Prime Minister, and, we are sure that dialogue will open up again and fruitful solutions will emerge," he added.
Narasimhan further said that one of their key demands is to restore the autonomy of IIT, and allow them to conduct their own test.

"The year 2013 is too early and enough time needs to be given to the students, to the stakeholders, so our primary concern, one of our demand pointing out is that, we would like to see the reform process kick in from 2014, although the announcement for such a reform should be made at the earliest that there will be a major structural change etc.," he said.

The IIT faculty federation is opposing the proposed common entrance to these institutes.

The federation has contended that the common entrance test for admission to the undergraduate programme to the IITs and other Centrally-funded institutes will undermine the autonomous status enjoyed by the IITs. (ANI)






Friday, June 15, 2012

304 - PM gives assurance to protect autonomy of IITs - Hindu Business Line


PM gives assurance to protect autonomy of IITs 

Aesha Datta






Representatives of the All India Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Faculty Federation met the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, on Friday to discuss the concerns related to the ‘one nation, one test’ entrance examination for engineering institutes.
“We had a very fruitful discussing. The Prime Minister said that the brand IIT has to be maintained and added that as a former teacher he understands the importance of maintaining an institute’s academic autonomy,” Prof A.K. Mittal, Secretary, All India IIT Faculty Federation, said.

Representatives of all seven IITs were present at the meeting with the PM.
“Our PM has appreciated the key concerns we have been expressing. He has agreed to take up the matter with the Human Resource Ministry. We have 200 per cent faith in our PM and we are sure dialogue will open up again and fruitful solutions would emerge,” Prof K. Narasimhan, President of the Federation, and Faculty at IIT-Bombay, said.

He added that the PM has given assurance that the autonomy of the IITs will not be eroded and it will be protected at all levels.
Prof Narasimhan added that the IITs want the reform process to be kicked in only from 2014 to enable students to prepare accordingly.

Inclusion of board marks
He added that the IITs are not against the inclusion of board marks but they are not convinced with the proposed normalisation process and would like the exams in 2013 to be treated as a dry-run, enabling them to analyse how the inclusion of Class XII board marks changes the merit list.

This, Prof Narasimhan added, would help them come out with a better normalisation scheme.