“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay


All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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Monday, June 18, 2012

319 - Just leave the IITs alone by P.V.Indiresan - Hindu Business Line


Just leave the IITs alone-Hindu Businessline P.V.INDIRESAN

As in other institutions, the IIT admission procedure should include interviews 

The Government, despite funding the IITs, should not decide whom the IITs will admit, or whom they will recruit to teach.
Is there a universal law of justice? There are people who are convinced that theirs is the universal law. Some of them are fanatic enough to kill to enforce their laws.

At a much simpler level, IIT Kanpur has decided to defy the directive of the IIT council about common admission tests for all institutions under the Central Government. Is that legal? I think it is legal, but the law can be changed.

Alternatively, the Government may get the board of governors to overturn the senate's view. Would that be just? That calls for making the critical distinction between what is legal and what is just. What is just may not be legal, and what is legal need not be just.

Whose iit?

The Government of India has probably exercised its property rights to enforce its own ideas of ‘just' admission. Then, the real issue is who owns the IITs.
Economists list men, material, money and management as the four factors of supply which determine what is produced and how well that is produced. It is a fact that the IITs would not have come up without the money from the government.

It is also a fact that the IITs would never have acquired the reputation they have but for the hard and intelligent work put in by the faculty. Then, who is the real proprietor — the person who gives the money or the one who made good use of that money?

The Government has said often — I have heard it myself — that it is because of the large funds provided by the government that the IITs are as great as they are. At the same time, the Technical Teachers' Training Institutes (now called National Institutes of Technical Teacher Training) have a per-student funding much in excess of what the IITs get.

By all accounts, those institutions do not enjoy the kind of reputation that the IITs do. Hence, it appears that however important money may be, it does not necessarily determine the quality and the reputation that institutions earn.

Material is of two kinds — buildings and equipment. In both cases, no doubt, money came, mostly, from the Government but the choice of buildings and of equipment was that of the faculty. Then, should we ascribe the value of material to the Government which gave the money, or to the faculty who spent it the way they have done?

In the case of management, both the Government and the faculty can claim a share. The Government can say that the IITs are what they are because of the ‘autonomy' that it let them have.

On the other hand, the faculty can claim that it is they who decided what should be constructed and bought, what should be taught, who will teach and to a large extent whom to teach. For the reputation that the IITs have, to whom should we accord credit — the Government or the faculty?

Crux of the debate

I recollect a Deputy Secretary of the Education Ministry claiming that the IITs are tightly controlled institutions. In a way they have been so ever since the Government introduced reservation in admissions. Nevertheless, I tend to think that no government and no amount of controls would have made the IITs what they are, but for the efforts put in by the faculty. Money is necessary, but is not the faculty important, probably more important?

That is the crux of the current debate. The faculty have not questioned the authority of the Government to decide how much money the IITs should get, but they want autonomy to decide whom they will admit.

Let me consider an analogy: a car has many parts — the engine, the gear train, the fuel tank, the steering wheel and so on. Which one is important? Can the fuel tank decide where the car should go or how fast it should go? No one will agree. I feel that the government is like the fuel tank, vital but cannot be the one who takes the decisions.

Charge rich more

I think that the IITs made a serious mistake when they let the Joint Entrance Examination decide who will be admitted. It was done with the best of intentions to protect the institutions from political interference. However, in the past week, I had come to the conclusion that the youth from rich and powerful families too have their own rights. Whether we like it or not, they will have enormous influence over how the economy will grow.

The former US President, Mr George Bush, was admitted to Yale not because he was brilliant, but because he was the son of another former US President.
Such youth need good education, particularly, good Indian education. Hence, I suggest that the IITs apply the Pareto criterion — reserve 20 per cent of seats for the very rich or powerful after charging them 80 per cent of the costs. The other 80 per cent should be selected on the basis of merit — as decided by the faculty — and get charged only 20 per cent of the costs. Alternatively, the Government, which has the responsibility to train the youth, pays for them. In any case, it is not correct to charge everyone, rich or poor, the same fees.

Ideally, the Government should not decide whom the IITs will admit, or whom they will recruit to teach. The IITs, too, should accept that they made a mistake when they ruled that students will be admitted purely on the basis of marks.

If the IIMs can have an interview after the CAT examination, if people for the central services are selected after an examination and an interview, if even a peon is selected after an interview, why should not each IIT have the same, independent system?

This is 331st in the Vision 2020 series. The last article appeared on June 2.
(The author is a former Director, IIT Madras. blfeedback@thehindu.co.in and indiresan@gmail.com

Saturday, June 2, 2012

175 - One JEE will not improve matters - Prof Indiresan - Hindu Business Line


One JEE will not improve matters

P.V.INDIRESAN

Nowhere in the world are admissions carried out purely through a mechanical test. 

The new norms for engineering entrance exams cannot address the rich-poor, or rural-urban divide. There are better ways of dealing with these problems.

The Human Resources Development Ministry has announced its latest regulations for admissions to engineering colleges. Mr Ashok Kumar, the police officer-activist who trained 33 rural youths and managed to get 30 of them through the Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) for the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), has been so incensed that he has organised a big demonstration in Patna against the decision. Some alumni may even go to court.

The new regulations have tackled reasonably well two of the three objectives. One, it gives due importance to high-school examination.
Two, it reduces the burden on the students by having one common examination for all Central Government institutions. However, it is not likely to do much for the third objective of curbing the influence of coaching institutions.

Even in the first two cases, there are issues. For instance, many years ago, the IITs admitted the top 10 from each school board directly without any entrance test.
That was a disaster; the system had to be stopped because influential persons got false certificates for their wards.

What guarantee is there that something similar will not happen in the certificate for percentile scores? However, corruption now may be less because the candidates have to take the entrance test, too.

A single test is a good idea, but it has its own problems. What will happen if a paper is leaked in some obscure corner of the country? Will or should the tests in thousands of centres round the country be scrapped and re-held? In any case, how will the Government keep the question papers secret everywhere without fail? 

These are real issues to which the Government seems to have given little thought.
I do not think anyone will lay a claim that the influence of coaching centres will diminish. At present, coaching costs are heavier than the four-year tuition charges in the IITs. Yet, they will probably increase to coach students for the plus-two examinations, too. Hence, only the well-to-do will get that benefit. Then, will not the rich-poor divide increase? Mr Kumar is worried that the new programme will impose a heavier burden on rural children. As it is, rural schools are poorly off; they are worse than the schools in the cities and far worse off than the good ones. Frankly, the Government has not thought of the rural-urban divide at all. Our present-day politicians are enamoured of quotas. Who knows, we will have a new quota for rural schools, too.

Deficient filter

The biggest question of all is whether the new system will identify and admit students of the best calibre. It probably will not. As matters stand, admission to the IITs is a gamble — a chance of one in a hundred or so. In comparison, great universities such as Harvard and Stanford get only 10 applications for each student admitted. So long as the application-admission ratio remains as high as it is in India, no programme will be truly rational.
Further, nowhere in the world are admissions made purely through a mechanical test. For instance, SAT scores are used as a guide by American universities; they do not determine admissions entirely. Our country is so obsessed with objectivity that it forgets that we produced better scientists and engineers before Independence, too, when there were no entrance tests at all and teachers took who they liked. Unfortunately, the present government has no such faith.

Why we lag

Nobody has asked the crucial question: why have MIT, Stanford, Oxford and all the great universities of the West done better, and are still doing better than our own institutions and do so in spite of admitting less-qualified rich students? The basic reason: those universities have the autonomy to admit whoever they like, including children of the very rich; our institutions have no autonomy and are shackled by the State.

Years ago, the IITs were concerned about the varying standards of high-school boards; they were worried by political interference. That is how they devised the JEE. Unfortunately, they forgot they were giving up a precious privilege — the autonomy to select their own students. Even now, according to the statutes, only the individual IITs can decide on admission policy — not the government. The Minister, being an able lawyer, may be able to get round, if, for instance, as is possible, IIT Kanpur refuses to accept his rules. But let us remember that the IIT statutes are good; that is why they have performed better than the universities have.

Two solutions

What is the ideal that will ensure the autonomy of not only the IITs but also of all other institutions, and at the same time minimise rural-urban and rich-poor divides? I suggest that each district gets a quota — for shortlisting the applicants — that depends on its population; the districts will conduct independent tests to fulfil their quota. That way the rural-urban divide will be minimised.

Alternatively, each IIT may shortlist four or five times the number of students it is entitled to admit after they pass class 10 and provide the selected students scholarships to study in the best schools for the next two years. That way, the influence of coaching centres too will diminish, reducing further the rich-poor divide.

Only through interviews will the teachers know whether the applicant is a ‘muggo,' or whether he understands the subject. Undoubtedly, the faculty will be under enormous pressure from politically powerful persons to admit their nominees. That may be resolved in one of the two ways: IITs admit some of them, the way Western universities do, but on payment of very high fees, or stick to their guns.

I think the first proposition is better. If a rich or influential person's ward can be admitted to Harvard, no disaster will ensue if they are admitted to an IIT.
(The author is a former Director, IIT Madras. blfeedback@thehindu.co.in and indiresan@gmail.com)
This is 330th in the Vision 2020 series. The last article appeared on May 19.

Monday, April 16, 2012

115 - 'ISEET won't eliminate coaching institutions' - Hindustan Times

'ISEET won't eliminate coaching institutions'

Kiran Wadhwa, Hindustan Times
Mumbai, March 22, 2012

Prof Indiresan taught for 40 years in the IITs and was the director of IIT Madras. He is a past president of the Institution of Electronics and Telecommunication Engineers and of the Indian National Academy of Engineering. He is a recipient of the Padma Bhushan, and has been conferred honorary membership of the Institute of Electronics and Electrical Engineers, US, and an honorary doctorate from the Karnataka Technical University.

Do you think the ISEET will eliminate the coaching class culture?No! ISEET will not eliminate coaching institutions but will make them change their programmes to help students do well in the exam.

Reports state that the ISEET will have an SAT-type component which will also test comprehension and language skills. Would this be fair on students from smaller towns from regional language mediums?If ISEET is fashioned like SAT with a requirement to know English well, that is good. If India is to become a global power, its experts should be proficient in a global language—which, at present is English. If the Chinese are learning English assiduously, I see no reason how Indians can escape that.

What, in your opinion, are the benefits and shortcomings of aptitude-based common national entrance tests for professional courses such as medicine and engineering in India?
Benefit:
  It is likely to promote better qualified students. Shortcoming: It will not ideally identify innovative minds. For that, we will have to adopt the American system of Harvard, MIT and Stanford—use the ISEET score for shortlisting only, and make the selection from referee reports from school teachers who have known the student well. An interview would be even better. That means coaching institutions have only a marginal value—which is all they deserve.

What would you advise students and parents who are now in a state of confusion because of uncertainity in government policy on these tests?Students should study well, and well enough to understand what they are studying. As for government policy, I can only wish the students and parents the best of luck because the policy changes every day and even within a day.

Tuesday, March 27, 2012

61 - Babus ruined education, says IIT-M former head - Deccan Chronicle



Higher education in India remained underdeveloped because the government had been leaving various regulatory bodies in the hands of ‘floating’ bureaucrats rather than having committed educationists to run them, former IIT-M director P.V. Indiresan said.

Taking part in a debate at the first national convention on India higher education organised by Education Promotion Society for India (EPSI) at New Delhi recently, Prof. P.V. Indiresan, said that power and money alone couldn’t ensure quality in education.

He said there should be a system without the regulation or existence of regulatory bodies like University Grants Commission (UGC) and All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE).
“We need complete autonomy and universities or colleges should be able to decide on subjects like student’s admission, fee structure and faculty recruitment. What does a ‘babu’ know about education,” he questioned.
“We should have an objective system and institutes must be given full autonomy,” Prof. Indiresan added.

Dr. G. Viswanathan, EPSI president and chancellor of Vellore Institute of Technology stressed on the importance of bridging the gap between government and private educational institutions.

He reiterated India being one of the largest higher education system in the world with 600 universities and 32,000 colleges cannot continue to follow the old schooling system. At present none of our universities have secured a spot in top 300 universities in the world. India needs reform in policies along with accessibility and knowledge sharing,” he said.

Inaugurated the two-day meeting, union minister of state for HRD E. Ahmed, emphasised the importance of private players and urged them to invest in the higher education sector to meet the augmenting demand of quality education.

He said, “The government is open to engage all private players in constructive and inclusive reform process. Academicians and policy makers must discuss the pending bills in order to make the reform process more viable for private sector players. We need a number of new universities and colleges to accommodate to the demand in higher education in next 10 years and a huge investment will be needed which government alone can’t make,” he said.