“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay


All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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Wednesday, January 16, 2013

465 - Super 30 founder opposes proposed fee hike of IITs


Pranava Kumar Chaudhary, TNN Nov 7, 2012, 08.24PM IST

PATNA: With decks cleared for a substantive hike in tuition fee at the Indian Institute of Technology (IITs), Super 30 founder and mathematician Anand Kumar said it could go against the interest of meritorious students from poor families, who were already unable to bear the education expenses.

"The 13 IITs will increase fee for undergraduate programmes by 80% - Rs.50,000 per annum to Rs.90,000 per annum - from the next academic year if the IIT Council approves the standing committee's recommendation. This is too sharp an increase, especially for the underprivileged sections," Kumar told TOI.

Kumar said there was no justification of this at a time when the people were already grappling with price rise and growing expenses of education. "For poor students, it is a reality that even loans are not easy to get. As they don't get quality schooling, they have to spend even for alternative coaching. But now, even if they qualify, they will find it hard to afford," he added.

Citing Bihar's instance, he said in a state like Bihar with 60-70% BPL population and poor track record of banks in giving education loans, such a steep hike could have a detrimental effect. "In a welfare state, education should at least be kept accessible and affordable," he added.

He said that drawing a comparison between the fee structure of IITs and some of the private institutions was not the right way to look at it. "Private institutes have sheer private motive, but the government should not see it from the point of view of profit only. Education is an investment for the future, not present," he added.

Sunday, June 17, 2012

311 - So Who Wants To Do JEE-Huzoori? - OUT LOOK INDIA



The IITs see red in HRD minister’s idea of a single test for engineering colleges

Cycle of life Scene at the Bansal coaching centre in Kota
Brand IIT versus GoI. It’s only the latest battle in this summer of seemingly endless discontent. Union minister for human resource development Kapil Sibal continues his on-off battle to snap away at the heels of the IIT-combine in his quest to rewrite the statute books. Sibal’s goal of a single engineering examination for the centres par excellence and all engineering colleges has caused consternation and heartburn. But, more importantly, it has led to plenty of confusion (and even fear) among the hundreds of thousands of students lining up to enter the portals of the country’s premier engineering institutes.


Sources in the HRD ministry insist the entire exercise was conducted democratically. But when Sibal found very few takers for his proposal, which he wanted to introduce by 2013, he decided to ram them home. The result—a mutiny by the IITs.

The media has reported extensively on how the IIT combine shot down Sibal’s proposal back in 2010 when he had constituted a committee under Damodar Acharya, director, IIT-Kharagpur, to propose a common engineering examination with adequate weightage to Class 12 examinations. When this was rejected, another committee recommended a two-tier exam—one for screening, and the second, an advanced one, with Class 12 exam scores having 40 per cent weightage. This, too, the IITs rejected. And now, yet again, they’re raising the banner of revolt, citing that IITs are autonomous institutes governed by an act of Parliament and whose affairs the GoI should stay out of.

Are the IITs then really as cussed and resistant to change as they’re being made out to be? At the 44th meeting of the Council of IITs (comprising ex-officio members of IITs, directors and chairmen, secretary-MHRD and other officials) in the HRD ministry, held on May 12, with the exception of IIT-Guwahati, it was decided to retain the existing examination format for next year. The IITs also broadly agreed on the following:
  • Nothing should be done to tamper with the existing system in a hurry. It will only lead to confusion.
  • Other broad agreements included a screening test for the purpose of admissions to the undergraduate programme at the IITs, from which a limited number of candidates would be eligible for an advanced test.
  • There was no clear majority view on whether school board performance would count in the final merit list.
  • Details of the advanced test were to be finalised in due course after a discussion with all the IITs so that it could be implemented from 2014.
Says A.K. Chaturvedi, dean, IIT-Kanpur, “We are open to discussions. But we strongly feel that what Sibal is proposing will not only lead to more stress but also lead to the mushrooming of thousands of coaching institutes—both of which the minister wanted to bring down. The proposals suggested by him defeat his twin purposes.” Each of the IITs has a separate senate, which exercises control on the admission procedure. In this raging debate, the senates, at times, are at variance with the council. Broadly, the senates of IITs, with the exception of IIT-Guwahati, have agreed on the following:
  • The current practice will continue.
  • From 2014, the National Entrance Test will be used as a screening test for the purpose of admissions.
  • From those who clear it, a certain number of candidates will be chosen to take the advanced test.
  • IITs will conduct the advanced test. Only this test will determine whether a candidate gets a seat.
  • Board performance will not be used for the final merit list.
While seeking time, the IITs’ resistance to board exams serving as markers for admission stems from a concern: the heterogeneity in syllabus, instruction and evaluation process across boards makes standardisation unfeasible. Evidently, the ministry hasn’t factored this in.

Sibal too has his supporters. “Since the boards and their examination standards were different, it was felt that the candidates should be evaluated through a common examination,” says Damodar Acharya, director, IIT-Kharagpur. SAT in the US, he goes on to add, forms one component of the basis for admission, the other components being school performance and recommendations from teachers. In India, admission to engineering schools is based entirely on a student’s performance in the JEE. Academically, this is not the best solution.

“The branding of an institution is not through an entrance exam but through the kind of intellectual capital it produces.”Dr Pritam Singh, Former director, IIM-Lucknow
Dr Pritam Singh, former director of IIM-Lucknow and a prominent management teacher, feels that globally, all leading institutions have followed a common thread without any impact on their own systems. Says he, “Universities like Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon and Cornell have a common exam along with smaller colleges and universities. That has not eroded their brand value. The branding of an academic institution is not through an entrance examination but through the kind of intellectual capital it produces. The Brahminical arrogance of some institutions which consider themselves superior and others untouchable is not fair.”
As someone who has considerable stake in this raging debate for the sheer effort in enabling the most depressed sections dream of getting into the IITs, Super 30 coach Anand Kumar’s mobile phone has not stopped ringing. He even has anxious students and parents land up at his doorstep. “My students, current, past and future, are calling me up and expressing concern about the proposals. Will poor students be affected by the change, they ask me.”

Poor students will be affected if school marks were accorded weightage. “The marks awarded are so low that they cannot compete with ICSE or CBSE,” says Anand. “If the new system comes into being, they would be overlooked. They would have to go back to being sweepers and compounders in spite of having the potential to be engineers and scientists.”

“Built as centres of excellence, IITs were an elitist concept. But then Cambridge, Oxford or Harvard, all are elitist.”Sandipan Deb, Alumnus, IIT-Kharagpur
Similar scenes of confusion prevail in Hyderabad as well. Many students who were packed off to coaching centres from Class 8 onwards to conquer the IIT rainbow are now grappling with the implications of Sibal’s proposed monster. While the common test is being offered as a solution to many ills, students and parents are unsure about the experiment. Avinash Dal, whose son Ashwin will take the test in 2014, says that one man (Sibal) should not decide the fate of so many students. “IITians have done our country proud,” he says. “This change may dilute the quality of IITs. It appears to be a move to take over the autonomy of IITs and bring in foreign universities.” Ashwin, a student at Narayana Institute, shrugs off the hullabaloo but wonders what the main exam would consist of. Would it be language, mental ability, physics, chemistry or math? “The suspense is what is making many students nervous,” he says. 

Academicians have mixed feelings about the test. Renowned educationist and MLC, Chukka Ramaiah, who runs the IIT Ramaiah coaching centre, says the change would bring Indian students on a par with international standards. “IITs are ranked 147th in the world. Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore are ahead of us. When IITians enter the global market, they sometimes appear to lack in comprehension, reasoning capacity and analytical thinking,” he says. If coaching centres are the target of Sibal’s policy, they do not seem to have taken any hit yet. The intake into these centres continues to be mind-boggling.
In Kota town of Rajasthan, better known as the epicentre of IIT-JEE coaching, the centres have woken up to the import of the new policy in the offing. Out here, many appear for exams from the centres at Kota or from their hometowns, not from the schools they have studied at. Sibal’s changes would mean these centres will have to reorient their package to include preparations for board exams—the results of which will matter in Sibal’s scheme of things.

Tamalika Basu, who has been at the famed Bansal Institute in Kota for 20 days, thinks differently. “The Bansal Institute,” she says, “is teaching me five steps to learning. When I can clear them, they say I will clear IIT—so I would certainly be able to clear my board exams. And I don’t need to attend school for it. I’ll stay on here in Bansal by registering my centre in a dummy school to write my exams.” As things stand, such dummy schools (or schools where one appears for Class 12 exams) will provide the cushion for students to continue with their IIT-JEE preparations alongside board exams.


Where, from here? Students at the Chaitanya Academy, Hyderabad. (Photograph by P. Anil Kumar)
Former IITians, who never really sever the umbilical cord with their alma mater, feel there has been too much interference with the IIT system. Arjun Malhotra, an alumnus of IIT-Kharagpur, chairman of global IT giant Headstrong, and one of the most prominent voices amongst the IIT alumni, says, “I don’t know the objective behind the common exam, but it is completely irrational. My view is simple: why try and fix something that is not broken?”

People attached to the IIT universe say that Sibal’s attempt to equate the combined exams for engineering colleges with GMAT/GRE is faulty. Students get several chances in a year to take exams like the GMAT or GRE and the scores are valid for a specified period of time. No such system has been proposed for the new joint entrance exams. A bigger problem is that, with all the major engineering exams coming under one umbrella, should a student miss the date or is unable to take the exam, he/she loses an entire year. Again, there is total ambiguity on this aspect.

“I don’t know the objective behind a common exam, but it’s totally irrational. Why fix something that is not broken?”Arjun Malhotra, Chairman, Headstrong
Says an IIT professor, “You are making the whole system completely uncertain. This will bring 18 different boards with their own systems and their own judgement into one system and open doors for corruption.” Concern is also being expressed over the enhanced logistics Sibal’s proposal for a combined exam will entail.
Fundamentally, it’s a deep-rooted opposition. A common examination would equate the IIT brand with “smaller” entities and take away the vaunted IIT-JEE control away from them. Says Sandipan Deb, an IIT-Kharagpur alumnus, “The IITs were built to be centres of excellence, with the best students and the best teachers. It was an elitist concept, as out of a lakh applications only 2,000-3,000 could get in. But all great education systems, like Oxford, Cambridge and Harvard, are elitist.”

It was probably because of this closely-controlled IIT system that the Singapore government in February this year expressed a desire to have an IIT campus in their country, which already has campuses from great universities like Johns Hopkins. In fact, PanIIT, an influential IIT alumni association, too has written to the HRD minister voicing its concerns against standardisation, and advising him to respect their autonomy.

Whether you see merit in Sibal’s proposal or in the IITs’ opposition to it, one thing is clear: the current stand-off isn’t helping anyone, least of all, IIT aspirants. Five lakh of them take the JEE, and another 10 lakh the All India Engineering Entrance Examination (AIEEE). They are uncertain about how Sibal’s proposed combined exam will work for them—and whether it will be fair. There are many doubters at the moment. Sibal will need to do more than standardise the system. He also needs to get back to the basics, starting with sorting out our schools.

By Anuradha Raman with Arindam Mukherjee, Chandrani Banerjee, Madhavi Tata, Dola Mitra and Pushpa Iyengar

Friday, June 15, 2012

300 - ‘New IIT-JEE anti-rural, surprising CMs haven’t protested’ First Post


‘New IIT-JEE anti-rural, surprising CMs haven’t protested’by Jun 14, 2012

Only last year Suresh Ram was presented an award by HRD minister Kapil Sibal for making it to the prestigious IITs. Suresh is from a village in Sitamarhi district in Bihar and his father a daily wage earner.


Suresh is a product of the hugely successful Super 30 — the Patna-based IIT coaching centre that provides free coaching plus financial support to students from underprivileged backgrounds.

If Suresh was to attempt the IIT-JEE 2013, he might have a hard time making it past even the screening. As per Sibal’s gamechanging plan, school board marks will get 50 percent weightage in the qualifying round. Those who qualify — 50,000 — will be selected based on the results of the IIT-JEE (Advance).

Now working as a construction design engineer at Larsen & Toubro, Suresh scored 58 percent in his school board exams. The new selection process, he says, will deny students like him the opportunity go to the IITs.

Asked what he thought of the new IIT-JEE pattern, he says, “It is wrong. By giving weightage to the school board exams, they are preventing students who don’t have the access or the means to good schools the opportunity to compete on a level playing field. The new pattern will only add to the stress on students and put them at a disadvantage.”

Suresh Ram, son of a daily wage earner, made it to IIT Delhi
 despite getting 58 percent in his school boards and is today a construction design engineer with L&T. Naresh Sharma/Firstpost

Suresh’s teacher and founder director of Super 30, Anand Kumar says the new IIT-JEE pattern is “anti-poor and anti-rural.”
“It is very surprising that the chief ministers have not protested against this policy. Everyday 10-20 students come to me, confused and worried about what to expect. Many of them are from poor and rural backgrounds.”

Eighty percent of Kumar’s students are from government schools. He says, on average — based on his data from 2003 (when Super 30 was founded) — his students score between 60-70 percent in the school board.

How that will compare — after their school board marks are normalised with their private-school educated urban counterparts remains to be seen. Kumar, not known for allowing obstacles get in the way of his goals, remains firmly focused. “We always encourage our students to fight and win.”


“First improve the school system and then go in for reforms”
Firstpost spoke to Anand Kumar on the impact of the new IIT-JEE on students from rural backgrounds.


Could you share with us some cases where students with extremely poor school education made it to the IITs and successfully completed the course. What are they doing now?
There are a number of such students. Anup’s father left home as he could not bear the acute poverty and never returned back. His mother went to the Bihar CM’s janta durbar seeking financial help for Anup to prepare for IIT-JEE. From there they were sent to Super 30.
Anup stayed at Super 30, studied hard and made it. Today, he is in the final year at IIT Mumbai.

Suresh’s father is a labourer. He, too, wanted to prepare for IIT-JEE, but did not have the resources to prepare for it. He, too, was at Super 30 before getting through to IIT Delhi and today he has a good job with L&T. Both these students were from the state government-run schools in rural Bihar. There are many like him, who made it despite a very modest background.


How does the new pattern affect chances of students from rural/underprivileged backgrounds to get into IITs?
The new pattern talks of 50 percent weightage to plus-two marks. When plus-two government schools are not at par with elite schools, the students will suffer here. The state boards have a different marking pattern and lack quality in education. There are always complaints of arbitrary results. The attendance in these schools is thin as teaching is erratic. There is vast disparity in the quality of schools under state boards and those under CBSE and ICSE. Also, the state boards have bulk of the students.

Secondly, the proposal for Main and Advance tests on the same day would put the students under enormous pressure. If there is one test only, like for medical and IIMs, that will be better. There is another addition in the form of aptitude test, which will be alien to the vast majority of students in rural schools which lack basics. All this will result in greater rush for coaching, defeating the very purpose of reforms which were aimed at reducing the dependence on coaching.


Given that Sibal has gone ahead with his plan, what will your immediate priorities be?
Sibal is the government. If he wants to go ahead with the plan, there is no option left for the poor students from rural India, but to suffer silently. It will only increase the gulf between India and Bharat. I will carry on the way I have been doing, with need-based changes to help the students. But I feel that such reforms will not last long and ultimately there will be new changes to restore the equilibrium. Students from the underprivileged sections cannot be devoid of opportunities.


Do you think the formula to normalise scores of different school
boards will work? What problems do you forsee?
Normalisation of marks is difficult, because it is not just about the marking pattern, but also the examination and evaluation pattern. If a school has managed an examination centre, it will have brilliant result, which will help its students in weightage. Will normalisation be able to take this into account as well? Today, even schools are managed. Students never attend school and straightway appear for the exams through coaching institutes as per deal. What is important is to take into account the ground realities, i.e. the huge disparity in the various school systems.


Would you say the new system is discriminatory towards students from rural/poor backgrounds?
It appears so. A student from rural/poor background cannot afford quality schooling. He also cannot afford multiple coaching. The need is to first improve the school system and then go in for reforms. CBSE and ICSE put together don’t cater to even 15 percent of the students. What about the rest? They study in schools in rural India, where even basic facilities like toilets, drinking water and benches are a luxury.

Recently, the Supreme Court had to intervene in this matter and direct state governments to provide basic minimum facilities. Thinking of independent classrooms and quality teachers is still a distant dream.

Sunday, June 10, 2012

249 - Coaching institutes eye business opportunity in revamped engineering entrance plan Devina Sengupta, ET Bureau Jun 8, 2012, 05.10AM IST - Economic Times


249 - Coaching institutes eye business opportunity in revamped engineering entrance plan Devina Sengupta, ET Bureau
Jun 8, 2012, 05.10AM IST - Economic Times

BANGALORE: Private coaching institutes are eyeing a business opportunity in the government's decision to have a common engineering test. They have begun to alter their training modules in an attempt to attract younger students.

"Earlier, students would look at class XII exams as a mere qualification for the joint entrance examination (JEE) and All India Engineering Entrance Examination (AIEEE) but now, they have to become more serious," says Pramod Maheshwari, director, Career Point.


 The 20-year-old training centre based in Kota, Rajasthan, is betting on school students to increase enrolment rate by 20% next year. Career Point coached 30,000 students last year and admissions for this year are on.

The institute moved in for the kill in January itself, when there when there was a buzz around the government creating a single entrance examination that paid heed to board examination marks. It began enrolling students with the new objective of helping them secure the maximum marks possible in board examinations.

"We will now coach them on scoring above 90% and not just 70%. Our fees will increase from 2013 by 15% as well from Rs 50,000 per annum," says Maheshwari.

The Union HRD ministry recently replaced multiple examinations like the IIT-JEE and AIEEE with a single entrance examination to the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), Indian Institutes of Information Technology (IIITs) and National Institutes of Technology (NITs).


 Under the new rule, students will have to appear for two admission tests on the same day - JEE Main and JEE Advanced, and the merit list will take into account board examination marks as well as the two admission tests.
In 2012, nearly 5 lakh students appeared for the IIT-JEE examination to test their luck in 15 IITs while 11 lakh took the AIEEE for a foothold into NITs and other engineering colleges.

Coaching institutes see their pot of gold in increased student numbers. CL Educate, for instance, expects it to go up to 5,000 by FY14 from the current 2,000. "A back-of-the-envelope calculation shows that the market for engineering tutorial examination is around Rs 500 crore and in all possibility, will double in the next year," says Gautam Puri, MD. At least half of the 11 lakh students who appear for the AIEEE and the 5 lakh who take the IIT-JEE go in for private coaching, he says.
 

Since it is not clear if the new pattern will accept scores in physics, chemistry and mathematics or include other subjects as well, coaching centres like Career Point plan to give tuitions in the languages as well.

However, some institutes are walking the thin edge, wondering whether the new decision on entrance tests will eat into their niche offerings. Patna-based Super 30, for instance, only takes 30 students from underprivileged backgrounds who are sure-shot IIT successes. If the government considers such students' Class XII scores, it may be in a bit of a spot.

Most of the students come from rural backgrounds where the emphasis on languages, for instance, is nil. "We hope they give us sample papers because it has now become a matter of survival," says founder Anand Kumar.

Thursday, June 7, 2012

207 - IITs: Right of admission reserved - Deccan Chronicle


  • June 6, 2012 By Anand Kumar
For the poor, opportunities matter the most, because one good opportunity can change the course of their lives. There was a time when drivers and peons tried to do everything they could to stay in the good books of their sahibs, in the hope that the sahibs will give the job of driver or peon to their sons after their retirement.

Their aspirations ended there. But times have changed. Now the poorest of the poor have a strong desire to provide the best education to their wards. Even if it is beyond theimeans, they sacrifice their own basic needs in the hope that their children, powered by education, will one day become sahibs themselves, not a sahib’s driver or peon. This is why more and more students from underprivileged families now dream of sitting for IIT-JEE (Indian Institute of Technology-Joint Entrance Examination), something unheard of just a couple of decades ago. And, more importantly, many are realising their dreams, thanks to their hard work, determination to excel and, of course, the opportunity to do so.

The ministry of human resource development recently announced a joint entrance examination (JEE) for all Central government-run undergraduate engineering programmes (IITs, NITs and IIITs), arguing that this will help poor students and make all 16 IITs more inclusive.

The objective, it is being claimed, is to reduce dependence on coaching institutes by giving weightage to Class 12 marks for admission to IITs and engineering colleges. According to the HRD ministry, the main purpose of the reforms is to ensure that students go to schools, and not sacrifice schooling for coaching.

But the million-dollar question is: Will it really help the poor? In the present scenario, it seems highly unlikely. The JEE includes an objective-type question paper (JEE main) and JEE advanced. There’s also a plan for an aptitude test and a subject test.

Three exams — one for Class 12, main and advanced — means much more stress and burden on students and they are sure to fall deeper into the trap of coaching institutes. Coaching institutes — which have been given three opportunities to cash in on students — have already devised ways to make the most of this opportunity and already have new packages ready to lure students.

This is contrary to the more competitive single national entrance tests for AIIMS and IIMs. If those institutes can do it, why not the IITs?

HRD minister Kapil Sibal feels that the best way to prevent students from exploitation at the hands of coaching institutes is to keep them in schools. But is it possible to standardise the marks of 36 state boards? In the school boards of Maharashtra and Goa, for example, students get almost 100 per cent marks, while in Bihar, Jharkhand and Uttar Pradesh, even 70-80 per cent is quite difficult to score. This puts students of some states at a disadvantage for no fault of theirs.

What’s more, the standard of education in state board schools, which cater mostly to the poor and underprivileged, is not uniform. There are schools that lack even basic facilities. So equating children from state board schools with those from elite schools will certainly go against the underprivileged lot in the national competition. The new JEE system will, in fact, alienate them quite effectively.

IIT students are viewed with great respect by international educational institutes and companies. They are as much in demand in India as they are outside. But all that has started changing. Even IIT professors now admit that many students reach IIT because of vigorous coaching and rote learning.

Even Infosys’ N.R. Narayana Murthy raised a question about the IIT graduates recently. He said, “Thanks to the coaching classes today, the quality of students entering IITs has gone lower and lower. They somehow get through the joint entrance examination. But their performance in IITs, at jobs or when they come for higher education in institutes in the US is not as good as it used to be.”

But the question is: Why this dependence on coaching institutes? What kind of questions are asked in IIT entrance exams that students are forced to knock on the doors of coaching institutes? Why are such questions asked? The fact is that the questions asked in IIT-JEE are not of Class 12 level, but much above that. There is a huge difference between the school curriculum and what’s asked of students in IIT-JEE. The students have no choice but to go to coaching institutes, as the schools are ill-equipped to prepare them for the exam.

This is not to suggest that nothing can be done to stop the growing influence of coaching institutes and reduce the pressure on students. The thrust should be on minimising the rural-urban divide by providing a level-playing field. For that, the IITs should set such questions that are conceptual and of Class 11-12 level only. IIT professors are scholars, and are often not familiar with the Class 11-12 syllabus. It would be good if CBSE experts are roped in to assist IITs in framing questions. This will make the IIT-JEE more attuned to Class 11-12, provide a level playing field, reduce the need for coaching institutes and make students realise the importance of schooling.

Another important step could be to increase the number of attempts to three for IITs. At present students get just two chances. While for students from elite schools, this may be enough as they may have other opportunities, it is not so for students from poor families in rural areas who start off with the disadvantage of poor schooling in ill-equipped government schools.

Though consciousness about education has increased, it is now time to provide quality schooling and equal opportunity to all sections of society — the spirit of Right to Education Act 2009. If that becomes a reality, real change will occur for the real difference is not in the quality of students, but in the quality of opportunities.

With awareness about education increasing across all sections, it is now time to provide the much-needed “food” to India’s education-hungry students. That will add enormously to the talent pool of the country.

Today the poor don’t seek jobs from politicians when they visit their areas; instead they complain about lack of teachers and infrastructure in schools. This is a healthy trend for a brighter and progressive India. Any policy that goes against the poor and divests them of opportunities will prove counter-productive for the nation.

The writer is the founder of Super 30 educational programme in Patna

Sunday, June 3, 2012

178 - Kapil Sibal defends new IIT entrance exam system - India Today



Headlines Today Bureau   |   HEADLINES TODAY  |   New Delhi, May 31, 2012 | UPDATED 22:07 IST

Under fire from Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) on his idea of conducting combined entrance test with other premier engineering institutes, Union Human Resources Development Minister Kapil Sibal on Thursday defended the government decision saying it was taken unanimously in consultation with the concerned councils.

"It is a unanimous decision taken by the government. The IIT Council, along with the NIT Council and IIIT Council have unanimously taken this decision," Sibal said.

"To say that it is a government decision is completely wrong. Government does not get involved in policy decisions that IIT Council take," he added.

Sibal's explanation came after the IIT Faculty Federation shot off a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh strongly opposing the move. The Federation has got support from former IITians. The alumni association said it was looking at legal options to oppose the move.

Federation secretary A.K. Mittal, who wrote to the prime minister on the issue, said, "We feel cheated. Despite promising us that no steps will be taken if there is any dissent, the HRD minister has gone ahead with his plans."

Renowned IIT mentor from Bihar, Anand Kumar, highlighted the practical problems in introducing the new format of entrance exams for admission.

"This is a very complicated process that has been introduced which will be tough for the students of the rural areas to crack. The advanced test and the main test will be conducted together and this will add to the pressure on students," Kumar said.

The ex-IITians feel one test would also downgrade the importance of the premier institutes. Students have also voiced their opposition to Sibal's decision saying it would only add to the burden on the students of standard 12.




Saturday, June 2, 2012

163 - From 2013, single entrance test for IITs and NITs - The Hindu



From 2013, single entrance test for IITs and NITs - The Hindu

Aarti Dhar



Marks in Class XII Board examination will count

The joint entrance examination (JEE) for admission to the undergraduate engineering programmes will be held from the next academic year, with the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) managing a separate merit list for those aspiring to join them. The examination will also consider the marks obtained in Class XII Board examinations.

Announcing this here on Monday, Union Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal said a consensus was reached after deliberations spanning over two years. A meeting of the Joint Councils of the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), the National Institutes of Technology (NITs), the Indian Institutes of Information Technology (IIITs) and other Central educational institutions approved the common admission process with weightage to performance in the Class XII Board examinations.

The Senate and faculty of the IITs had resisted the plan, citing the standards of the institutions. But the problem was resolved, with the IITs having been allowed to maintain a separate merit list. However, this will be reviewed after 2015, when the IITs will also join the common merit list.

To be conducted by the IITs' Joint Admission Board (JAB), the test will be held in two parts on the same day — JEE main and JEE advanced.

The marks scored in the examinations of the Class XII Board or equivalent stream, normalised on a percentile basis, plus the marks obtained in the JEE-main test, with equal weightage, will be used by the IITs. Only a fixed number of candidates (five times the number of seats for admission in the IIT system or a pre-fixed cut-off) screened on the basis of merit, based on cumulative score, will be considered. The ranking for examination to undergraduate programmes in the IITs will be based on the performance in the JEE-advanced examination from among the candidates screened through this process.

For the other Centrally Funded Technical Institutions (CFTIs), there would be 40 per cent weightage for performance in Class XII, 30 per cent for JEE-main and 30 per cent for the JEE-advanced test and a combined merit decided accordingly. 

The JEE main test shall be a multiple choice objective-type paper, whereas the nature of the JEE advanced test will be determined by the JAB, which will also have complete control over academic matters. The Central Board of Secondary Education will give administrative support for the conduct of the examination.

Those who have appeared in the Class XII Board examinations in 2012 and wish to improve upon their performance can appear again for the Board examinations in 2013. The CBSE and the State Boards will make appropriate arrangements through a special dispensation.

At a meeting scheduled for June 5 to discuss the JEE, the State Education Ministers would be told that they would have the freedom to join the process and the autonomy to determine their own relative weightage to normalise the Class XII Board marks, performance in the JEE main and advanced tests, Mr. Sibal said.

Meanwhile, Super 30 founder Anand Kumar has said that despite the good intentions of the joint councils of the IITs, the NITs and the IIITs to have a common admission test, the complicated process could put students, especially those in rural areas, at a disadvantage.

The reform to bring focus back to the schooling system by giving weightage to performance in the Class XII Board examinations, normalised on a percentile basis, will pose a serious challenge, as there is a huge gulf between schools of the CBSE and ICSE Boards and those under the State Boards. The formula to be adopted for percentile calculation is not clear, as all State Boards follow different yardsticks.

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Comments:

Can someone explain the detail of state Board exam weightage? do they consider only Maths, Physics and Chemestry for calculation or it include all subjects?
from:  Kaushik
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 05:49 IST
The move would destroy the standards being maintained by the IITs, the
premier institutes in India which are the only institutes from India
who have got some recognition in the World. When a common entrance
test for all the engineering institutes would be a welcome move,
introduction of 50% weightage to board exam marks is a destroying
factor, particularly when the syllabus and the evaluation systems are
not common. This could be successful only when a common board of
examination is introduced all over India with common syllabus.

From one year now on, Kabil Sibal wont be a HRD Minister and probably
would never be a minister again. But the blot he has made in the
Education System would remain and make him remember for long for the
wrong deeds.

from:  N G BABU
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 06:37 IST
What the hell is this verdict?? Means, you do not count a student
marks in X at all(due to grading)and all of a sudden, in 12th, they'd
count this much??

In state boards, give money and you'd get 100s in all. What about us,
CBSE students??
And what the hell with this stop-coaching-campaign?? Don't we have
tuition for 12th boards in every city?? Now they'll flourish like
never before!!

What the hell this man called Kapil Sibal wants?? Destroyer of the
Indian Education System!!
That's how I'd call this man!! Grading in X and CET based on XII
marks!!!! Wow!!

Absolutely Sick!!!

from:  Kantshri Baronia
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 06:46 IST
Ridiculous. All intermediate boards does not have syllabus and neither their marks awarding practice is uniform across India. How come 40% weightage is logical here? Now all boards will try to award marks like air is available to breath. That will an unhealthy competition. Not at all a wise move.
from:  Avinash Baranwal
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 06:46 IST
hopefully Aamir can prevent these guys from landing up in the US too.
from:  dileep
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 07:28 IST
there is no clear clarification on how the both JEE main JEE advance
will be conducted on same day , when only short listed people will be
allowed to write the JEE advanced basing on the performance JEE main
and Class 12 performance

from:  Satyanrayana Duvvuri
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:07 IST
Some state boards are too harsh in giving marks e.g. Bihar while some are too lenient.
This will put students from state board at disadvantage.
This fact must also be considered.

from:  Devender Mishra
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:08 IST
It seems Mr. Sibal is not thinking through the problem.
He has good intentions to achieve two objectives a) discourage tuition institutes and b) reduce stress on students.
However, it is noteworthy that limiting the admission attempts to just two has resulted in tuition institutes sprouting in smaller cities.
Also, including board examination will bring the students under more stress. Now students have to study harder for 4 or 5 subjects (instead of just 3 - physics, chemistry and mathematics).

from:  ravi
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:19 IST
"Those who have appeared in the Class XII Board examinations in 2012 and wish to improve upon their performance can appear again for the Board examinations in 2013. The CBSE and the State Boards will make appropriate arrangements through a special dispensation."............This is utter stupidity.An unfair advantage for the second timer in board exams.......First the HRD minister should try to bridge the wide gap between the standards of board exam in different states and then only a 40 % weightage is justifiable for IIT entrance exam.
from:  somit
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:34 IST
The normalisation formula seems to give unfair advantage to the small and boards providing poor quality education. Using the formula same percetage of students will be selected from each board irespective of quality. Please do some example calculations and see.
from:  Sukhdeo
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 10:10 IST
This is completely insane!!! one time our education minister talk
about increasing the good stuff in IIT-JEE, on the other hand don't
allow them to prepare for that, i mean how a student can study XII
board syllabus and IIT syllabus with equal weightage where both having
a different platform.All know that there a cramming for getting good
marks in XII but for IIT you have to study Practically.If he really
want to do this then he must also concentrate on the school staff,
because now the question arises is that as now student have to attend
the school regularly , weather the staff over their is so qualified
that they can provide student the knowledge juxtaposing to IIT level?.

from:  Shubham Sharma MMU
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 10:29 IST
this is a right step,to conduct boards again in 2013 for those who passed in 2012 ,those who had coaching in 2012 did not focus on boards because they knew they need just 60% to be eligible and now who wants to repeat is in huge trouble because they have no board marks with them,this is really unfair with those who passed 12th in 2012,first they are left with one chance only and second suddenly board will decide their future.or they should apply this from 2014
from:  nehashree
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 10:41 IST
This means congy interested in only Urban areas in 2014 and this methods are distratous to rural area students and they can only write exam and pay hefty fee for others to get admission. This way congy will be routd out from rural India and aam admi JEE and Jai sibal
from:  azad
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:05 IST
I don't see the point in this whole approach. what is wrong with the existing system and practices?First of all by conducting a single exam one is marring the prospect of child as on any given bad day one can have a bad test for any number of reason. so its more like putting all egg in one basket. quite frightful proposition indeed. secondly one need to vastly improve upon the quality of 12th standards if they are to get par with IITs Standards. Innovation and creativity, intelligence and smartness need to be measured in order to secure admission to prestigious engineering colleges where as present 12th standard examination and curriculum lacks on these fronts. So there is absolutely no need to give weight to 12th marks.I would rather consider this as Tughlaq -policy lacking in sense and logic and sheer testimony to the stupidity of those on decision making board.
from:  shekhar
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:17 IST
Its a welcome move. It can be termed as Single Application for Various Entrances but not Single Window Entrance. Earlier AIEEE & JEE were held by CBSE & IITs respectively. Now its conducted by JAB of IITs. Pls do not read much into 40% weightage to 12th std board exam marks. IITs are not going to consider it except for equalification. The AIEEE gets new tag as JEE-Main and JEE gets better tag as JEE-Advance. The benefit for student is single application, single day entrance, and single body conducting this entrances. Finally IITs gain on academic side and the words administrative support of CBSE is console to their lost mandate to conduct exams. Its anyway welcome move for cost & time saving for students. Thanks to Kapil Sibal for bringing some relief to students on single application entrance system. Also expect same day resultLets hope syllabus of board exams and IITs entrance syllabus will integrate in future and so our students can perform in any exams even abroad in single attempt
from:  Ezhilan KaVe
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:21 IST
Although the inclusion of board weightage might add to the seriousness
towards the school examination process, but how will the normalisation
process occur for different states?

from:  Sumit Gupta
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:31 IST
Allowing second chance is very welcome step. There are many who inspite of having talents could not get good grade in plus 2 in first attemptand have to give up the dream of IITS . This will alow one more chance to them to prove themselves and fulfill there dreams for further study.
from:  Rajesh Kumar Jha
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:37 IST
This system seems to be complicated. Can't a system comprising 50% weightage to Class XII Board examinations and 50% to JEE main be implemented?
from:  Sathyanarayanan R
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:44 IST
Mr. Kapil Sibal unfortunately not aware of 40+ different boards across India. And any board assessment/exam system is not common to other board. Even to arrive a percentile taking the help of ISI is faulty, as the no.of students per board is different to each other. Except IIt-JEE, AIEEE and Centre-funded Institutions exams, no other board exam is genuine. For example, the student getting 100% marks in board is not bound to qualify in IIT-JEE, this is common knowlede even to a single parent of an aspiring student. Considering +2 and Main exam marks of first 50,000 students as the basis for Advance selection to IIT is a faulty method, what if 50,001th student get top marks in Advance test? dont you consider him for IIT? Sibal, bring a common board system across india and strengthen the education system across all states instead og meddling ad degrading the set standards of IITs. You are continuosly confusing with different absurd statements for the last 6 to 8 months. Role back please
from:  M Narendra
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:01 IST
Mr. Kapil Sibal is hell bent to degrade the value of IIts in India. I doubt he is in tremendous pressure from foreign universities asking him to reduce the value of IIts to make their presence in India. Otherwise, why he is showing too much interest in meddling with IIts instead of trying to bring a common board across the nation? Why this hurry to implement halfhazardly in 2013 itself? Another self interest of 2014 elections. He is creating a chaos in students lives with throwing their interests in gutter to entertain foreign universities. He is blaming the Coaching centres for the competition, can he bring the education system and Govt. schools to that standards, where, no student opt for coaching centres? This hasty, irresponsible, careless acts of ministries should be brought down by Supreme court by interfering into their activities of playing with public/students lives.
from:  V MADHAVI
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:04 IST
Then schools across the country should have same syllabus for calss XII. And also there should be only objective questions in class XII exams.

If two different people evaluate same answer sheet, then the same answers will earn different marks. How can this be justified?




from:  vivek
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:07 IST
Adding class XII Board exam marks is a good step towards bringing back
focus on schooling system. But there is wide gap in syllabus pattern in
CBSE, ICSE and state boards. Before implementing government should try
and implement a common pattern of syllabus across all boards in India,
so that competence can be justified.

from:  Radhakrishna A
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:33 IST
I would rather agree with Anand Kumar's qoute "despite the good intentions of the joint councils of the IITs, the NITs and the IITs to have a common admission test, the complicated process could put students, especially those in rural areas, at a disadvantage.". Lets stop pretending that people from rural areas hardly have a fair chance of getting into these institutes with the current system. From my experience in these institutes, majority are from middle class, city dewellers. And the argument that the quality of products of the institutes are entirely depended on the quality of input is flawed.
from:  Girish
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:48 IST
one examination system is correct but 12th marks and two test i.e main and advance is not a better idea. this decision is going to affect the career of each and every student of India. so i request to the people of India please protest it.
from:  ambika
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:09 IST
There go our IITs. Over 50 years the country had assiduously, and against all odds, developed a fantastic brand -- proven repeatedly. If amidst the billion things working against us, there was one set of institutions that the country could take pride in, they were the IITs and the IIMs -- and we are witnessing their demise. Emasculatd by a bunch of pathetic politicians who thrive on medocrity, and cannot see beyond the tips of their respective noses. If we have 'leaders' like these, do we really need enemies? God help us.
from:  Ravi S Iyer
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:19 IST
It is high time for state boards to take right steps for welfare of
students of respective boards.Reform is necessary for state boards.

from:  akanksha
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:35 IST
The 40% weightage proposed for the 12th board marks under the new scheme is bound to create unnecessary confusion. Rather, the council should have retained the existing practice of using the board exam scores as just a minimum qualifying criterion. However, unifying the entrance tests to just one JEE is a welcome measure bound to ease a lot of tension for the students. It is hoped that the council comes up with a fair system of testing and admission that maintains the quality level of students entering the portals of premier institutes, while at the same time making sure that rural students are not disadvantaged in any respect.
from:  Niranjan Sundaresan
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:51 IST
IITs should go back to the two stage Screening and Mains pattern. That
is the the only way of maintaining quality of students and avoiding
brand dilution.

Mr. Kapil Sibal seems to be on a mission to destroy the quality Indian
education system, scrapping 10 boards, JEE new objective pattern and now
clubbing it with NITs. None of these moves have or are going to reduce
the "stress levels" on the students. The stress is ingrained in the
society and the psyche of the people and not in the examination process
of the education system.

from:  Saurabh
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 14:47 IST
Mr.Kapil Sibal as HRD Minister is doing a wonderful job.The Educational
reforms in the CBSE stream carried out by him deserves to be praised.See
in T.Nadu,the CBSE Students have been handicapped by the abolition of
the Entrance exams few years back.

I do not see any hypocrisy in this new scheme.The students have to still
take the entrance exams.Due weightage is given to the Board Exams which
is fair enough.

from:  R.Somasundaram
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 14:55 IST
Not everyone is interested in getting into the IIT after a grueling
selection process. So why JEE (Advanced) for the rest of the students if
only IITs insist on it? State level qualifying examination and JEE
(Mains) would suffice for the other CFTIs. IITs could continue a much
tougher paper as JEE(advanced) for their ranking.

from:  Ravi
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:23 IST
Girish, your argument is unfortunately flawed. If we want students from rural/semi-rural and economically weak backgrounds to do be better represented in the IITs and IIMs, provide them with the right infrastructure and support (schools, content, teachers, ...). The IITs and IIMs are not to blame for that.The government, instead of diluting the IITs and IIMs, should invest on a war footing to give the talent amongst the semi-rural and rural population the right training to compete. The IITs and IIMs have done commendably well on their charter. Only a flawed society will criticise them. So, I agree with Ambika. If you are capable of rational thinking, please protest this move. Focus instead on providing high quality education to our masses.
from:  Ravi S Iyer
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:24 IST
i wanted to know whether one who has qualified his 12th examz in 2011 is
eligible for this jee 2013??? i mean aieee,as stated in the brochure,
has 3 attempts in consecutive years while iit has only 2. so are they
gonna keep it to 3 attempts or only 2. but thats really not fair on
their part for engineering aspirants have full well rights to avail
these 3 attempts for aieee...just keeping my fingers crossed....i pray
they give us one last chance....

from:  ankita sati
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:35 IST
This is just another attempt to stop the entry of Bihari students in IITs because they don't get such high marks in state board exams. The govet. needs to bring in the mechanism of normalization before implementing this scheme.
from:  Gyan
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:40 IST
Always there are two ways of improvement:
1. Bad way: Take a stick and straighten the people.
2. Good way: Make people realize reasons and do their own good.
It seems that every time one has tried to go by the bad way, it has resulted in utter disappointment and eventual failure of the strategy. The bad ways are temporary ways to fool ourselves and authorities while the good ways are a promising solution.
I am afraid the we have always chosen the bad way of improvement, the temporary one. IITs have tried their best to remain what they were, but in a place like our own nation, they are realizing the depth of the problems. Our old and money-hungry ministers (and don't tell me this is biased) are actually dumb. The wrong people are having the powers to change, how can we expect good out of them?
I am very scared about the future of our nation, since India is HOPELESS ! At least for the next 300 years, it certainly will remain so.

from:  Anjaneya
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:56 IST
To get admission into IITs, earlier +2 exam and one IITJEE is
sufficient. Here onwards students have to appear for Main, Advanced
besides +2 and moreover the calculation system is more cumbersome and
complicated. The new system will not be a easy one. Weather the new
system will be an improved version or not will be known only in the
future. The new system seems to be a complicated one. +2 standards
are not uniform throughout the country. Equal weightage for marks
awarded by different Boards with not a uniform standards will not do
justice to the student community. Moreover what exactly the Govt.
wants to achieve with this new system is not clear? They want to
replace the coaching institutions? Not possible. Coaching
institutions will flourish more. If the 50% or 40% weightage for
+2marks is left out, still 50 - 60% weightage is there, where the
need and scope for tutorials/coaching centres flourish. What the GOI
wants to achieve with this new system only God knows.

from:  G Seshagiri
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 16:07 IST
Thanks to Kapil Sibal ! Soon you will see all the politicians / hooligans children in I.I.Ts. I take this opportunity to congratulate all those who were determined to ruin the I.I.Ts. Finally you all got succeeded in initiating the devastation of an institution started by a great visionary namely Panditji. Long live Indian democracy, long enough to destroy all that remaining !
from:  Viswanath
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:05 IST
IIT's under any circumstances should not be compared with other technical institutes. Already some damage has been done by bringing IIT's under the single entrance test. By making separate merit list through JEE Advanced, IIT's are trying to maintain its highest standards. Please don't review it in 2015 for making them at par with other institutes.
from:  Dr J P Chatterjee
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:07 IST
I would rather emphasise the need for the number of seats in each IITs and the number of total IITs to be increased at the same pace with which the reforms are being implemented in order to absorb the bright and deserving students and not to deprive the chance to the poor and the meritorious.

Other systemic issues can be taken care by the experts sitting in the top at state and central board of exams.

For a common man what is required is a college within his state if not district level.

Rest, let's hope for the best!

from:  csnair
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:44 IST
Why not all state boards across India follow only the NCRT/CBSE
syllabus, with only Social Science have one or two lessons catering to
state/regional items (local geography/history/culture/civics).

This will bring education across India from North-East to Gujarat,
from Kashmir to Tamilnadu under single quality of education.

Also the previously talked about National Teaching Service (NTS) like
IAS, IPS, IFS can be implemented for creating quality breed of
Teachers with similar mix of state/regional focus on selection and
certification.

from:  Pats
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:50 IST
This is the death knell for the IIT's. As Ravi Iyer mentions, this has been one institution that has survived all odds and produced real genius stuff. We will not see Shankars (AMD) or Gopalakrishnans (Infosys) any more, but only mediocrities churned out like the thousands of other engineering colleges. Of course this has several years of systematic planning and undoing of great efforts by the few respectable institutions we have in the country. We have to hand it our totally corrupt politicians who can never see or allow merit to take the front row.
from:  R.Vasudevan
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:57 IST
Intention of HRD minister is not clear. You want a student to prepare for 3 type of exam i.e. board, JEE main and JEE ad.resulting alot of burden.

Instead we should get only 1 type exam conducted 3/4 times in a year to allow student to take any 2 ,

from:  goutam
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 20:51 IST

1.) Un-necessary advantage to 2012 board passouts.
2.) Different boards can't be brought to a common platform so easily,
the syllabus being different.
3.) I personally do not consider board examination to be a parameter
to judge one's capabilities, taking into consideration the internal
assessments.
4.) All exam on one day...the day would become super critical and
risky with respect to students.

I as an alumni, don't accept it!

from:  Asheshanand Acharya
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 21:17 IST
Single Entrance Test.Needs More Perfection......As There will be single chance available (once in a year) for students to give their best shot.. as previously if one paper goes wrong (JEE) then there still exists other options like AIEEE..... but now its not...

And if we talk about the quality/Brand IIT definitely its level will be going to be lower.

from:  Nish
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 21:50 IST
It is beyond my comprehension that How the IITs,NITs and IIITs boards
have accepted this utterly stupid proposal.If you do little survey of
CBSE,let alone other boards schools of rural and small towns you will
see dismal performance of the students.This is not because that child
borne at these places are stupid.It is only because governments ie.
state as well as central are failed to provide quality education.If
40%weightage is applied for board examination these students will be
out of race.Is government wants to do this?
On what basis there normalization formula will work across the
boards,if they can't normalize in only one board,lets consider only
CBSE if quality of education is considered across the country.
It is the students hard work from these less privileged section,which
enables them to compete with few privileged,who get their education in
good schools.
I will request the government to first improve the quality of
education across country before proposing such a nonsense.

from:  Mahendra Kumar
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 22:13 IST
Considering the mark of the XII is not a right decision. I am not clear
why would one want the marks of XII. keeping a cutoff of say 50% in
academic should be fine.

from:  Goutham
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 22:24 IST
ISEET..is a real stupidity...the 2012-2013 academic year has already started...so such stupid reforms from the yaer 2013 itself would be a pure senselessness because they have already started preparing like earlier JEE ...moreover the idea of taking board percentage into account is another foolishness..as there are huge diffrences among various board checking patterns...
from:  Himangshu Deka
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 23:13 IST
Mr. Sibbal, are you lawyer or chemist....Please stop experimenting.
from:  Pankaj Kumar
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 23:19 IST
Although i do agree and welcome the step taken by HRD but as far as class 12 weightage is concerned I will go with Mr Anand kumar (super 30).
from:  Kuldeep
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 23:51 IST
Somehow this whole proposed system does not seem to be fair in continuing the quality of IITs.Taking in the marks secured in board,which if from a state board based curriculum tends to much easier than CBSE and less application oriented will work in favor of kids in state board.One of the few aspects of IIT I have taken pride over was them basing the selection process on a highly competitive application based entrance exam.A sad turn of events for the IITs.Actually on second thoughts I am not sure who benefits from this system?!
from:  Nimmisha
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 03:56 IST
First of all,Mr.Sibbal should take serious and pro-result actions to
equate the standards of all state boards with that of CBSE and ICSE,then
only such changes in engineering entrances would be
meaningful.Besides,he added,''the new system would hamper the coaching
industry hard''.But I think these changes might open new doors for
them.In coming years,we most expectantly can witness three-tier coaching
system for engineering entrances-class 12 board preps.,main exam and
advanced exam,that will only worsen the situation.

from:  abhishek parmar
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 08:51 IST
once the IIT have proved their credentials in the world. there is no need to interfere with present process.additing one additional test means additional finanacial burdon on parents, Coaching institute shall enhance thier fee on account of Advance test.The intent to include 12 class weightage is futile, as schools may not match the quality education as coaching cenres.........finaly more stress on students.....additional finacial burdon on parents.
from:  man mohan
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 11:20 IST
i think this new system will definitely reduce stress for students-
especially those who worry about coaching institutes. it is good that
some marks from board are also being considered.

from:  iit aspirant
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 12:12 IST
how can rural students be at disadvantage?
they will get more advantage from the new system as they can do self
study for 70% (board + main). i think only advance require additional
coaching, but now that it consists of only 30%, rural students need not
worry about the advantage of coaching which the city students get.

from:  iit aspirant
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 12:17 IST
What is wrong in IIT having a special status to decide on its own entrance?
In a country where the number of engineering seats are more than the applicants nothing wrong in nutruturing institutes of world class.
I think Kapil Sibla has clearly set the path for self desdruction of this great institutes. In 5 to 10 years time this will be completely destroyed; at that time no one will remember that it is Kapil who se the motion for self-destruction.
Why the government can't pay its attemtion on poorly equiped deemed universities which are autocrat policies in admitting students.
Is ther any vested interest to promote private universities?
Oh Minister another bad move and bad decisions;
What is wrong in asking people what they want rather than you decide and do.
If people less educated are in policy decision making this is what will happen.
God bless this country.

from:  Raj
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 14:04 IST
Good thought...but not the right time to implement it. Unify the board system and then step towards unified entrance examination. When the board syllabus and the evaluation is not standardised, what is the point of unifying the entrance exam? Its just going to be a mockery of the intention to be served.
from:  krithika rai
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 15:02 IST
Those in State Syllabus boards(SSC) score high marks very easily. Getting 95+ is a cake walk for SSC. But for those in CBSE and ICSE, it is very difficult to get that high score. It is not apples to apples comparison.The treatment should be different when it comes CBSE/ICSE.
from:  madhu
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 16:50 IST
For the IIT aspirants this kapil sibals plans will bring all the
students in a huge devastating pressure and will be very difficult for
the countryside IIT aspirants to get entrance in top colleges in india
as this new system demand huge money-indirectly..........please god
please help the iit aspirants

from:  krishna jangid
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 18:24 IST
If there is a hole on the ground, there are two ways to remove it. One, fill the pit with more earth upto the level of the ground around. Two, dig the entire area around the pit, remove the earth and reduce the entire area to the bottom level of the pit(to make it a BIG pit). In India, the government always takes pride in following the latter while the former is easy and logical. God bless India!
from:  Venkatakrishnan Krishnamoorthy
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 20:32 IST
two years hard work and get in to IIT and then most of them went to abroad, what about research and what about service to our mother land ? why this so much craze about IITS ?
if single system for all, than govt of india should establish another 90 IITs with same quality.12th class marks are different from different boards..what abt the honest evaluation system in state boards? wt abt poor students those studying in govt colleges with less quality compare to corporate colleges ?
chidren of ministers ,MPs,MLAs,IAS ,IPS,all central & state employees should admit in government schools & government colleges than think of ONE EXAM ONE NATION ...

from:  roopesh kumar
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 22:47 IST
A classic example. Instead of focusing on the disease, Mr. Sibal is targeting the symptoms. This complicated system of a cumulative score will only prevent extraordinary students from weak backgrounds from getting into good institutes like IITs. The urban kids will easily adapt to the strange system, but it will be a disaster for the kids from rural areas. There will also be undue advantage to some of the students because of all sorts of random provisions in this new system.

Instead of attacking the IIT entrance system tested over time, Mr. Sibal should be thinking about how to improve the standards of secondary education in schools throughout the country, both the curriculum and the teaching. That will cut down the coaching business and also ensure that students do well in their board exams, something that Mr. sibal dearly cares about.

from:  Navish
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 22:53 IST
The government, parents and teachers need to accept the following reality: it is not practical to devise an evaluation process that can distinguish the intellectual potentials of two candidates differing only slightly in their scores. For example, can any one argue that a candidate scoring 99.1 out of 100 will become a better engineer than the one scoring 99.0? The rat race to score this 0.1 (most often 0.001) is mindless and has distorted our school education. One solution would be to use a lottery system to randomly select the required number of candidates from a pool consisting of all candidates scoring above a certain score, say 80 %. This will allow us to ignore the parrot-style learning and go back to the school to focus on learning the concepts correctly. The government should focus its energy on improving school-level education.
from:  K. Subramaniam
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 11:18 IST
I have read all the comments and it is clear that the overwhelming majority is against this proposal. The proposal appears flawed and many huge mistakes have been pointed out. It is sad to destroy the lives of students in this arbiatary manner
from:  Govardhan
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 11:21 IST

All our discussion is focused on the IIT admission . In in fact we can review the new patterned from point of view of all Engineering admissions
Due to the new pattern the Student preparing for CET Entrance test to secure the admission in state level Engineering college has to do through all the Exam such as HSC Exam and JEE advanced and the JEE main . The study of current CET was possible as own and with the help of some tuition class with less expenses . But due to new pattern good coaching class with higher fee ,This means the majority of the Student has to join the Coaching Class [ Pressure from the lobby of caching class on Mr.Kapil Sibbal ]pay more or else not get the chance of Higher education [ Note that we have recently passed the Resolution for Right To Education ]or has to pay more and get admission in Non Government Colleges [ Pressure from the lobby leader who own the Educational Institutes on Mr.Kapil Sibbal

from:  rajesh churi
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 14:38 IST
When the whole world takes a step forward, India takes a step back. Consideration of 12th marks is completely irrational. There is no iota of normalization of different boards marks. It will always have some error, even of 0.01%, but this 0.01% may decide who will go to IIT and who will go to NIT. Bringing NITs to a common test was a good move as more or less they used to conduct similar pattern of exams, however it could be questioned. But bringing IITs and NITs at the same level does not make any sense. They are two different fruits which can’t grow on same tree.
from:  Tapish
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 14:45 IST
implementing iseet all of a sudden is unfair to those passing hsc in 2012.....First the boards of all the states should be made of equal standards and difficulty and then iseet should be brought in practice.
what has happened is sheer injustice to 2012 passing students,even if they are conducting boards again in 2013.

from:  Ishan
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 15:54 IST
This is equivalent to the system followed by tamil nadu till 2005. Why
education system is southernised? This type of education will not yield
good results.People from Tamil Nadu State board cannot compete in JEE
and AIEEE as the syllabus was different and the method of scoring in NSB
was to by heart the whole book. Mr. Kapil is doing the same with the
other boards

from:  raman
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 18:10 IST
From a student's perspective, this idea is a complete chaos. Mr.
Sibal's intentions maybe noble, but by the implementation of this new
system, all he's going to create is more stress to many students who
aspire to get into the Premier Technical Institutes of our country.
Thereby, not achieving his main purpose of reducing the pressure on
them.

Besides, he's reducing a students options by narrowly leading them all
to one common Joint Entrance Test. Maybe this idea wouldn't have been
as criticized if he'd given more time to it. However, one of the
biggest questions will be if the standards of the IIT's can be kept up
to it's all time high's, and if the IIT's would still serve the
purpose of their very establishment.

from:  George
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 01:33 IST
This change made by HRD department will affect the students of some state boards where securing mark is very difficult or we can say where number of student scoring high is less.This may led partial ineligibility of those stdents.
from:  SOUMENDRA PANAD
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 01:49 IST
Inclusion of 12th board marks for IIT entrance is fine but what about
rural students who can't afford quality education (lack of teachers and
other infrastructure)? Won't it give rise to coaching for 12th board
too now and put the economically poor students at a serious dis-
advantage?

from:  sanjay
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 09:30 IST
what Kapil Sibal wants is to reduce stress on students but exactly
opposite he is doing.Certainly it will reduce the quality of students
who will make to IITs.Board students doesn't have that intellectual
skills that an IITian should have.

from:  Rajat
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 10:53 IST
Decision to introduce new pattern next year completely ignores
students agony. Current exams/selection pattern is known to students,
with prior years' Q&A, other helpful tools at hand. Students chart
their path based on these existing formats on entering 11th, if not
before. Despite this, students often take their lives in case of
unfavorable outcome. Therefore, new format should be introduced after
resolving dissents from institutions, publishing model Q&A and
states' selection criteria. All this takes time leaving no time for
students to look at sample Q&A and practice. 12th students are
nonplussed due to not knowing new pattern, therefore no mental
readiness. It is urged to resolve these including publishing states'
selection criteria. Also, give a fair advantage to all students -
bright and average by introducing new pattern 2 years from
institutional readiness. The centre should consider this seriously,
instead of distressing 12th students and parents.

from:  satish
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 20:07 IST
It seems Kapil Sibal's decision is highly welcoming appreciable in many
aspects like, reduces stress on the student, discourages rote method and
commercialization of education. It also creates a sense of oneness in
education among the states in our country.

from:  Mary Supriya
Posted on: Jun 2, 2012 at 11:58 IST