ALL INDIA IIT FACULTY ASSOCIATION OPPOSES ENTRANCE EXAM CHANGES THAT HRD MINSITRY IS TRYING TO IMPOSE ON IITS.. TIME FOR IIT ALUMNI FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO UNITE AND OPPOSE THIS MOVE WITH ALL OUR MIGHT.
“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”
How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.
Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.
God Save India
Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.
Shubhashis Gangopadhyay
All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.
"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha
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Thursday, September 27, 2012
450 - The new IIT JEE pattern: A necessary revamp or a major disaster?
Tuesday, July 10, 2012
404 - Engineering: One test too many -bDeccan Chronicle
July 10, 2012
By Arun George | Sabloo Thomas
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Thiruvananthapuram
But the formula arrived at after a debate of almost a year, is unlikely to have satisfied HRD minister Kapil Sibal who was rooting for a single test for admissions to all engineering colleges.
With states preferring to keep their options open still , the first edition of the common engineering entrance examination scheduled to roll out in 2013 will probably cover only Centrally-funded technical institutions like the 15 Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT), 30 National Institutes of Technology (NIT), Indian Institutes of Information Technology, Indian Institutes of Science Education and Research (IISERs) and a few deemed universities, in its first year.
Also, giving in to the demand of IITs, an advance test will be held on a different day from the main for admissions to them, with only the top 1.50 lakh candidates from the latter qualifying to appear for it.
The HRD ministry has bowed to the IITs and dropped the idea of considering Class XII marks for admissions to them as well.
Instead only the top 20 percentile students of the respective Class XII board examinations will be allowed to take the proposed common engineering exam in 2013.
Educationist R V G Menon is all for selecting students with high percentile for the IIT entrance test as he feels this gives board examinations their due.
"Students today dont take their board examinations seriously enough because of the many coaching centres for IIT entrance tests in places like Kotta, Rajasthan and Delhi," he regrets.
Co-ordinator of the CBSE-ICSE Parents Forum Association, Dr N K Sanil Kumar, is however, worried the decision to allow only the top 20 percentile students of a board to appear for the IIT advanced test may act against the interest of students following the tougher CBSE and ICSE syllabi.
"But it is better than the mark normalisation process followed for some other entrance examinations, including some in Kerala, " he adds.
The rationale behind the common entrance exam for engineering colleges is to reduce both the psychological and financial stress on students because of multiple entrance tests and give greater importance to Class XII results.
Currently, there are 15 lakh engineering colleges across the country and more than 150 entrance tests are conducted for admission to them.
Besides the joint entrance examination conducted by the IITs and the AIEEE held by CBSE, all states have their own engineering examinations as do several deemed universities and private institutes.
Only top 20 percentile can appear for test
Revised Proposal
Following the opposition from the IIT Faculty Federation against considering the normalized percentile scores of class XII for shortlisting students for the JEE-Advanced test, the HRD ministry revised the proposal to allow only top 20 percentile students from each state board to appear for the screening test.
Other engineering colleges will use a 40:30:30 formula - with class XII board results counting for 40 per cent and the two stages of the entrance exam counting for 30 per cent each.
The new entrance format was to come into force from 2013. It will be restricted to central institutions as the states have not yet agreed to the common entrance test.
Initial Proposal
The initial proposal was to include normalised percentile scores of class XII board examination and JEE-Main test while shortlisting candidates for the JEE-Advanced test.
This allowed students with relatively lesser marks in board examinations to make up for the IITs by performing better in the screening test.
The new proposal is against the original aim of encouraging students to pay equal attention to the board examinations. The new proposal would deprive 80 percentile of students even an opportunity to appear for IITs.
403 - Maha confusion over engineering admissions - DNA
Maha confusion over engineering admissions
By Pallavi Smart | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA
The IITs have declared that they will be considering the score of advanced test conducted by them for shortlisted candidates after the main examination where a candidate will have to be among top 20% scorers of their respective boards to be eligible for seat in IIT.
However, lakhs of students are waiting for the state government to announce how engineering admissions will be conducted in the state.
“There was so much discussion about admission into IITs and NITs. What about admission to regular engineering colleges?Like me, there are many others who are focused on admission to regular such colleges, admission to which was traditionally done through the state CET and AIEEE score,” said Jheenal Shah, a Kandivli resident.
Tuesday, June 19, 2012
321 - More opposition to Sibal's common entrance test - TOI
More opposition to Sibal's common entrance test
Even as the union government rules out going back on the CET proposal, member of parliament Bhalchandra Mungekar while terming the situation arising out of the proposal as alarming questioned the need for implementing the proposal on 'war footing'. In his letter to Kapil Sibal, minister for Human Resource Development, Mungekar suggested that the present system of admissions to the IITs should continue for the academic year 2012-13.
The MHRD proposed a CET for admission to engineering colleges across the country. The proposal was to merge the IIT-Joint Entrance Exam (IIT-JEE) and All Indian Engineering Entrance Exam (conducted by the Central Board of Secondary Education) and also to take into account the performance of the aspirants during board exams at school level for admission to the various engineering courses. The move was opposed by various senates of the IITs and the alumni associations. In fact, IIT Kanpur decided to conduct its own entrance exam, while majority of the states too were not keen on joining the CET.
Urging the MHRD to be more thoughtful and that well-informed decision could be taken in the course of time that would address the concerns of the IIT fraternity, mainly the issue of autonomy, Mungekar wrote, "... everyone in the country is well aware that our IITs and IIMs are the country's brand educational institutions recognized the world over. They have taken more than five decades to become what they are today. It is well recognized that complete academic autonomy enjoyed by these institutions played an overwhelming important role in influencing their performance."
"... let me submit that issue of one CET for the IITs and NITs, and considering marks of the HSC exam need not be taken on war footing," added the former vice chancellor of Mumbai University. ##
Sunday, June 17, 2012
314 - One nation, One test - DEccan Herald
But, the implementation of the proposed test, which seeks to merge IIT-JEE (Joint Entrance Examination for admission to IITs) and AIEEE (All India Engineering Entrance Examination), has encountered a major roadblock as a section of the faculty, students and alumni of the IITs are up in arms against the examination format, citing several lacunae.
The joint entrance examination proposal has its genesis in the ‘in-principle’ approval accorded to it by the Council of IITs in its meeting held on September 14 last year.
This was based on the T Ramasami Committee report, which recommended a common national examination with weightage to marks obtained in the state board exams, and normalised on the basis of percentile formula developed by the Indian Statistical Institute, Kolkata.
Though many IIT faculty members and alumni did not favour a common test, an opinion poll on the Ramasami report, conducted through the Central Government’s portal last year, saw 85 per cent of the participants favouring the reforms in the current entrance test system, while 73 per cent supported holding a national test like the scholastic aptitude test conducted in the United States.
IIT faculty came up with differing views on the proposed normalisation of the Board marks through percentile formula, weightage to be given to the Board examination, eligibility criteria, methodology of selection and the year of introduction of the proposed test.
A faculty member of IIT-Kanpur contended that the one nation one test would put rural children at a disadvantage as it was bound to have elements of the existing JEE that tests conceptual rigour. Rural students are not exposed to the kind of rigour needed to understand fundamental principles in any domain. However, a majority of the respondents (66 per cent), who participated in the opinion poll, had favoured giving weightage to overall and consistent performance in examinations of school boards.
All the states had consented to the proposed common test, and many, including Maharashtra and Gujarat, expressed their eagerness to adopt it in the technical institutions coming under their jurisdiction.
Even as the government was giving a final shape to the proposed reforms in February this year, the Senates of the various IITs reviewed the proposal between April 25 and May 5.
Of the seven old IITs, the Senates of IIT Guwahati, Kharagpur, Madras and Roorkee supported the proposed joint entrance examination. IIT Bombay proposed to retain the present system “with minor modifications”, while IIT Kanpur’s Senate wanted “substantial modification”, an HRD Ministry official told Deccan Herald.
The views of the IIT Senates were placed before the IIT Council held on May 12, and again at the joint meeting of the Council with NITs and IIITs on May 28.
The Council in its May 12 meeting observed: “By and large, the middle ground of opinions expressed by IIT Senates recommend that the Class XII Board results along with the National Test (Mains) be considered as screening or gating with the National Test (Advanced level) being solely used for ranking purposes for admission to undergraduate programmes.”
It also took note of the proposals of some of the Senates that a limited number of candidates (about five times the number of seats for admission in the IIT system) from the screening be considered eligible to appear in the Advanced test to be conducted by the IITs. It further agreed that the details of the Advanced test would be finalised in due course of time through discussion among the IITs so that it could be implemented from the year 2014.
Subsequently, the members of the Council decided to adopt the two-part joint entrance examination to be held on the same day, from year 2013.
Under this two-tier selection procedure, the Council allowed the IITs to first assess candidates on the basis of the JEE Main and their Class XII marks normalised on percentile basis, giving equal weightage to both, and screen a fixed number of students. The Council made it clear that the ranking for admission to undergraduate programmes in IITs would be based entirely on the performance in JEE-Advanced by the screened candidates.
But for other Centrally funded technical institutions (CFTIs), it was decided that they would continue to be governed by the proposed policy of ranking based on 40 per cent weightage to Class XII Board marks, 30 per cent weightage to performance in JEE-Mains and another 30 per cent weightage for performance in JEE-Advanced.
The Council decided that both JEE-Main and JEE-Advanced tests would be objective and multiple choice type. It was agreed that the Joint Admission Board (JAB) of the IIT system would have “complete control” over the academic components of the test such as paper setting, evaluation and preparation of the merit list, among others, while the CBSE will provide the administrative and logistic support for the conduct of examination across the country.
But, this did not convince opponents of the common test. The Council’s decision was dubbed as an “attack on the autonomy” of IITs by their alumni association. The All India IIT Faculty Federation has sought that the government restore IITs’ autonomy by “officially” seeking ratification or acceptance from the various IIT Senates on the joint entrance examination finalised by IIT Council.
The Senate of IIT-Kanpur has raised a banner of revolt against the Council’s decision and even passed a resolution to hold its own examination for admissions to the institution’s under graduate programmes in 2013.
The Senate authorised the Institute’s director to set up a committee in consultation with the dean of academics for finalising the modalities of the entrance examination. The committee, to the extent possible, shall coordinate with other IITs to conduct the test jointly. The resolution passed by the Senate, however, is subject to approval by the Board of Governors of the IIT before it comes into effect, as per the Institute of Technology Act, 1961.
Legal route
The IIT Alumni Association has threatened to move court against the IIT Council decision.
Association president Somnath Bharti contended that under the IT Act, the IIT Council can only advice or recommend. It is the Senate of each IIT which has powers to promulgate ordinance relating to various matters, including admissions, which, of course, has to be approved by the Board of Governors.
HRD Ministry officials, however, counter the argument stating that the IIT Council can lay down policy under the IT Act in “matters of common interest”, and issue of admissions to the IITs is a matter of common interest. “IIT Council is the highest decision making body of the IITs,” an official said.
Tuesday, May 29, 2012
155 - India a step closer to single entrance test for engineering - Live Mint
The move will ease the stress on students, diminish the importance of the entrance test coaching businesses and re-emphasize the importance of class XII board examinations across the country.
After over two years of talks to sort out differences, the human resource development (HRD) ministry, the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), and other leading engineering and technology colleges finally struck a compromise on Monday and decided to adopt a common engineering entrance exam beginning 2013.
To be sure, the move will be complete only if all state governments sign onto the deal and bring state-level entrance examinations for engineering institutions under the purview of the common entrance exam. Currently, each state conducts its own entrance examination.
“With complete unanimity, we have now decided to go for the common entrance exam from 2013,” HRD minister Kapil Sibal said after a meeting with the councils of central government-funded technical institutions (CFTIs).
The CFTIs comprise 15 IITs, the Institute of Technology-Banaras Hindu University, the Indian School of Mines at Dhanbad, 30 National Institutes of Technology (NITs), five Indian Institutes of Information Technology (IIITs), architecture schools and several other leading engineering colleges. At least 1.6 million students sit for several tests for admission to these prestigious schools.
As part of the compromise formula, the selection will be based on three tests—the class XII board exam, the Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) main exam and the JEE advanced exam. All the CFTIs, except IITs, will give direct weightage to these three sets of examination in the proportion of 40:30:30, respectively.
For IITs, the class XII board exam and JEE main exam will work as a filter to screen students. The top 50,000 students thus screened will be eligible for admission to IITs; their ranking though will be based on the advanced test that is conducted on the same day as the JEE main.
“Based on this all-India JEE ranking, students will get admission in an IIT,” said Gautam Barua, director of IIT Guwahati.
Sibal said that the ministry accepted the demand of IITs that the board exam marks will not have a direct bearing on the selection process and the JEE advanced exam will be completely administered by IITs with technical help from the Central Board of Secondary Education.
“We have accepted their core demand,” Sibal said, adding that though he wanted the board exam to have a direct impact on selection, he did not force the issue in the face of consistent opposition from IITs. “I did not want to say (it), but this is the truth.”
So, how will this work out? There will be two rankings—one for IITs and one for other CFTIs. “So one may not get into IITs, yet has a chance of getting through CFTIs,” said Sanjay Dhande, director of IIT Kanpur.
While the HRD ministry said in a statement that the nature of the IIT advanced exam will be decided by the Joint Admission Board of IITs, Dhande said IITs may adopt a multiple-choice formula for the advanced exam as well.
“Making the advanced exam subjective will need a lot of resources (to verify the papers). Hence, we may make it objective, much more difficult than what it is today and with many more options than just four to evaluate the student’s knowledge base,” he added.
For starters, IITs face a faculty crunch in the range of 20-30%. At the undergraduate level, 15 IITs admit nearly 7,500 students every year after screening nearly 500,000 aspirants.
Sibal said the move will pave the way for a single entrance exam for all engineering colleges in the country and he would take this up with state education ministers and other stakeholders at a high-level meeting on 5-6 June. “We have information that Gujarat, Haryana and Maharashtra are going to adopt this national formula and we hope other states will follow after the education ministers’ meet,” he added.
The minister said that the multiplicity of exams that a student intending to pursue a course in engineering has to appear for, has been a cause for concern.
“The burden imposed on the students in terms of time, payment of examination fees and the stress caused...is tremendous,” Sibal said. Under the proposed system, students can’t disregard the class XII school boards any more. “The coaching factories will now feel the impact.”
Bhagwan Dash, a parent in Bhubaneswar, said that the move seems positive, but it was crucial that state governments accept it.
“One may argue about meritorious students going to national-level engineering and technology schools, but it may not be true always,” he said. “Other reasons, including financial constraints at times, force families to send their kids to quality state-level institutes. One test for all engineering exams will be better.”
Sunday, May 27, 2012
150 - Scientific approach needed to include board marks in Indian Science Engineering Eligibility Test, says govt committee - TOI
Monday, May 14, 2012
142 - ISEET fails to meet the test - DNA
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Saturday, April 21, 2012
123 - HRD Ministry tries hard to pacify IITs on ISEET 2013 -
HRD Ministry tries hard to pacify IITs on ISEET 2013
Monday, April 16, 2012
115 - 'ISEET won't eliminate coaching institutions' - Hindustan Times
Kiran Wadhwa, Hindustan Times
Mumbai, March 22, 2012
Prof Indiresan taught for 40 years in the IITs and was the director of IIT Madras. He is a past president of the Institution of Electronics and Telecommunication Engineers and of the Indian National Academy of Engineering. He is a recipient of the Padma Bhushan, and has been conferred honorary membership of the Institute of Electronics and Electrical Engineers, US, and an honorary doctorate from the Karnataka Technical University.
Do you think the ISEET will eliminate the coaching class culture?No! ISEET will not eliminate coaching institutions but will make them change their programmes to help students do well in the exam.
Reports state that the ISEET will have an SAT-type component which will also test comprehension and language skills. Would this be fair on students from smaller towns from regional language mediums?If ISEET is fashioned like SAT with a requirement to know English well, that is good. If India is to become a global power, its experts should be proficient in a global language—which, at present is English. If the Chinese are learning English assiduously, I see no reason how Indians can escape that.
What, in your opinion, are the benefits and shortcomings of aptitude-based common national entrance tests for professional courses such as medicine and engineering in India?
Benefit: It is likely to promote better qualified students. Shortcoming: It will not ideally identify innovative minds. For that, we will have to adopt the American system of Harvard, MIT and Stanford—use the ISEET score for shortlisting only, and make the selection from referee reports from school teachers who have known the student well. An interview would be even better. That means coaching institutions have only a marginal value—which is all they deserve.
What would you advise students and parents who are now in a state of confusion because of uncertainity in government policy on these tests?Students should study well, and well enough to understand what they are studying. As for government policy, I can only wish the students and parents the best of luck because the policy changes every day and even within a day.
Sunday, April 1, 2012
75 - IIT-JEE: IITs unhappy with changes - INDIAN EXPRESS
IIT-JEE: IITs unhappy with changes
IIT Delhi and IIT Kanpur senates recently wrote to HRD ministry asking to consider their suggestions regarding the replacement of the entrance test. IIT Madras Faculty Association has conveyed similar views to other IITs. Not only have the IITs doubted the early and hurried decision of replacement of IIT-JEE but also the format of the new exam ISEET.
The IITs welcome the decision of bringing reforms in the current entrance exam but they want a say in the process of implementation of ISEET.
The government has proposed to change the IIT-JEE format by introducing two-part objective-type tests and giving weightage to Class XII marks.
The Ministry plans to hold ISEET from 2013 which will replace the existing IIT-JEE and the All India Engineering Entrance Examination (AIEEE). This would serve as a single national entrance exam for admission to engineering and science courses in institutes such as the 15 IITs, 30 NITs and other prestigious technical institutes.
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