“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay


All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2012

369 - Prof. Gautam Barua's Response to Open Letter from Prof Dheeraj Sanghi.

( from gbarua blogspot )

Response to Dheeraj Sanghi's Open Letter

According to the IIT Kanpur Website, there has been a “A devastating and rather harsh exposé of the 'scientific temper' (or the lack of it) shown by members of the IIT Council. 'JEE 2013: An Open Letter to Prof. Barua' by Prof. Dheeraj Sanghi, IIT Kanpur.”

Elsewhere in the same website we have “A very strong response by Prof. Dheeraj Sanghi, IIT Kanpur to the claims made by those defending the IIT Council proposal.”

Harsh and strong: I agree. I have no desire to engage in argument regarding my motives and my behaviour. I only wish to state that I reject all allegations of lying. I have defended the proposal because I think it is the best alternative under the present circumstances. I was not responsible for delaying the Aptitude Test. In fact not only me, but the IITG Senate wanted an Aptitiude test (see the IITG Senate resolution of Apr 25) . It should come in later years. I have no hidden agenda and I do not have any “irrestible urge to manage other IITs” (ridiculous! way beyond decency!).

I forgive Dheeraj for his trespasses for he knows not what ……

But I would like to focus on the meat of the proposal:

On the ISI Report and Percentile Ranks

Dheeraj Sanghi has stated that

They gave a report which said that more studies needed to be done with data from more boards for more years.

This had two problems.

One, MHRD would have taken a long time to get all this data. ….
He has obviously not read the report or has not understood its contents.
The ISI report made the following assumptions (the report is available here):

2 Assumptions needed for comparability of different board scores

The following assumptions would have to be made in order to make the aggregate scores of different boards comparable.

• Aggregate scores are expected to increase from less meritorious to more
meritorious students in any particular subject

• Merit distribution is the same in all boards.

The first assumption is that Boards awards marks according to merit.

This has been challenged by many with respect to State Boards without any analysis of any data (not sure it is even possible to do any analysis as merit cannot be established objectively: it has to be something society by and large agrees upon), but by anecdotal evidences of corruption, fraud etc.

The second assumption is that meritorious students are unformily distributed across all Boards (I have used the argument of the law of large numbers in relation to the population base of Boards (and not the size of the Boards) to argue in favour of this).

This has been challenged by some on the basis of the varying sizes of Boards, but again without any analysis of any data (again, not sure it is even possible to do any analysis).

The ISI report then goes on to state (bold mine):

3 Stability of board scores

Under the above assumptions, the percentile ranks of students in different board examinations become directly comparable. It would be of interest to observe how the raw aggregate scores relate to the percentile ranks, and how these relationships vary from year to year as well as across different boards.

There is therefore no need for any more analysis of data of other Boards to establish this assertion. I throw an open challenge to anyone to refute this assertion. It is so simple, what is there to refute? Any classs IX student should be able to understand. Unfortunately, many well respected IIT faculty have failed to understand this. Maybe they have not read the ISI report (the full report is enclosed in another post).

Now the ISI report does talk about analysing the data of other Boards, Why? First of all they repeat the above assertion again in section 4 (bold mine):

4 Criterion for selection

Under the two assumptions mentioned in Section 2, the percentile ranks of the students computed from aggregate scores are comparable across different boards and years. Any monotone transformation of the percentile ranks is also appropriate for comparison, as long as the same transformation is used across different boards and years. Let us now consider a few such transformations.

They then go on to consider a transformation (bold mine):

Any of the curves in the first figure is a monotone function of the percentile rank. One can use any one of them, say CBSE 2007, as standard. If the same transformation of percentile ranks is used for other boards and years, then the resulting modified score of any student of any board in any year can be regarded as the aggregate score, which could have been obtained by that student if he/she had appeared for the CBSE examinations in 2007. Thus, the transformed scores provide a common basis for comparison.

A feature of such a transformation is that, after this transformation, the scores are not evenly distributed throughout the available range of scores. In particular, when the scale of the CBSE 2007 aggregate score is used, less than 5% of the students have scores in the range of 90% to 100% of the maximum score. On the other hand, more than 10% of the students (spanning over the percentile range of 50 to 62) have scores squeezed in the narrow range of 65% to 70% of maximum score. This would lead to a loss of discriminating power in that percentile range, particularly if the board scores are used only as a component in a weighted selection criterion involving multiple components.

For maximal discrimination over the requisite range of percentile ranks, it is imperative that the scores have the uniform distribution over that range. This may be achieved if the percentile ranks themselves are used as scores. If there is a threshold percentile, say 75%, then the available range is maximally utilized by using the following linear transformation of the percentile rank:

(Percentile Rank of Student -75 / (100-75) ) * 100 -- (1)

According to this scale, a student with percentile rank 75 receives the score 0, a
student with percentile rank 90 receives 60, and the topper receives 100. Similar
computations can be done for other choices of the threshold percentile.

Then comes the recommendations, which has caused some confusion as some eminent folks seem to have read only the recommendations and not the rest of the report.

5 Recommendations
(a) The above analysis regarding stability of board scores should be carried out
for all the boards over a longer period of time.

(b) If the reported stability of the board scores is found to hold generally, then a transformed percentile rank with a suitable cut-off, as described in (1), may be used as a score representing performance in the board examination, for the
purpose of admission to tertiary education.

(c) The different boards should be asked to indicate the percentile rank of each
student in the mark sheet.

(d) In order to prepare a formal and reliable basis for selection at the tertiary level, educational institutions at that level, including the IITs, should be asked to provide to the HRD ministry a statement of marks obtained by each graduating student, together with the student’s score in the admission test of that institution (if any), the board score at the class XII level and the name of the board.

Now why is the analysis mentioned in (a) above required? Because of recommendation (b)! A transformation is recommended only if the analysis of (a) is done. But if there is to be no transformation but the percentile ranks themselves are used as scores, then there is no need to analyse any further data, as the two assumptions are there. One may point out that since ISI did not propose this, there must be a problem with using percentile ranks as scores. I think they wanted better discrimination through some transformation and so they only recommended some transformation. I confess I am not able to give a clear answer to this. But I am confident that what has been proposed is sound (see below).

Now to the formula in the proposal. The only difference is that ISI had suggested a cut-off and had recommended that a suitable cut-off be used, but the proposal uses no cut-off. Why was this done? This was done because with reservations, any cut-off could adversely affect the filling up of reserved seats. Further, while a cut-off would improve the level of discrimination, it was felt that since the proposal was likely to meet some resistance, it is better to reduce the discrimination, and let the exams be the discriminating components. So, there was no “Barua formula”, and there was nothing sinister about the proposal. The “formula” itself, which was not given by ISI (they might have felt that they would be insulting the readers of their reports if they did so – in hindsight, they should have done so!), is a standard one that can be found in any text book on Statistics. I cannot be given credit for this ( a case of reverse plagiarism?).