“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay

All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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From 2013, single entrance test for IITs and NITs - The Hindu

Aarti Dhar

Marks in Class XII Board examination will count

The joint entrance examination (JEE) for admission to the undergraduate engineering programmes will be held from the next academic year, with the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) managing a separate merit list for those aspiring to join them. The examination will also consider the marks obtained in Class XII Board examinations.

Announcing this here on Monday, Union Human Resource Development Minister Kapil Sibal said a consensus was reached after deliberations spanning over two years. A meeting of the Joint Councils of the Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), the National Institutes of Technology (NITs), the Indian Institutes of Information Technology (IIITs) and other Central educational institutions approved the common admission process with weightage to performance in the Class XII Board examinations.

The Senate and faculty of the IITs had resisted the plan, citing the standards of the institutions. But the problem was resolved, with the IITs having been allowed to maintain a separate merit list. However, this will be reviewed after 2015, when the IITs will also join the common merit list.

To be conducted by the IITs' Joint Admission Board (JAB), the test will be held in two parts on the same day — JEE main and JEE advanced.

The marks scored in the examinations of the Class XII Board or equivalent stream, normalised on a percentile basis, plus the marks obtained in the JEE-main test, with equal weightage, will be used by the IITs. Only a fixed number of candidates (five times the number of seats for admission in the IIT system or a pre-fixed cut-off) screened on the basis of merit, based on cumulative score, will be considered. The ranking for examination to undergraduate programmes in the IITs will be based on the performance in the JEE-advanced examination from among the candidates screened through this process.

For the other Centrally Funded Technical Institutions (CFTIs), there would be 40 per cent weightage for performance in Class XII, 30 per cent for JEE-main and 30 per cent for the JEE-advanced test and a combined merit decided accordingly. 

The JEE main test shall be a multiple choice objective-type paper, whereas the nature of the JEE advanced test will be determined by the JAB, which will also have complete control over academic matters. The Central Board of Secondary Education will give administrative support for the conduct of the examination.

Those who have appeared in the Class XII Board examinations in 2012 and wish to improve upon their performance can appear again for the Board examinations in 2013. The CBSE and the State Boards will make appropriate arrangements through a special dispensation.

At a meeting scheduled for June 5 to discuss the JEE, the State Education Ministers would be told that they would have the freedom to join the process and the autonomy to determine their own relative weightage to normalise the Class XII Board marks, performance in the JEE main and advanced tests, Mr. Sibal said.

Meanwhile, Super 30 founder Anand Kumar has said that despite the good intentions of the joint councils of the IITs, the NITs and the IIITs to have a common admission test, the complicated process could put students, especially those in rural areas, at a disadvantage.

The reform to bring focus back to the schooling system by giving weightage to performance in the Class XII Board examinations, normalised on a percentile basis, will pose a serious challenge, as there is a huge gulf between schools of the CBSE and ICSE Boards and those under the State Boards. The formula to be adopted for percentile calculation is not clear, as all State Boards follow different yardsticks.

Keywords: common entrance testJEEIIT entrance



Can someone explain the detail of state Board exam weightage? do they consider only Maths, Physics and Chemestry for calculation or it include all subjects?
from:  Kaushik
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 05:49 IST
The move would destroy the standards being maintained by the IITs, the
premier institutes in India which are the only institutes from India
who have got some recognition in the World. When a common entrance
test for all the engineering institutes would be a welcome move,
introduction of 50% weightage to board exam marks is a destroying
factor, particularly when the syllabus and the evaluation systems are
not common. This could be successful only when a common board of
examination is introduced all over India with common syllabus.

From one year now on, Kabil Sibal wont be a HRD Minister and probably
would never be a minister again. But the blot he has made in the
Education System would remain and make him remember for long for the
wrong deeds.

from:  N G BABU
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 06:37 IST
What the hell is this verdict?? Means, you do not count a student
marks in X at all(due to grading)and all of a sudden, in 12th, they'd
count this much??

In state boards, give money and you'd get 100s in all. What about us,
CBSE students??
And what the hell with this stop-coaching-campaign?? Don't we have
tuition for 12th boards in every city?? Now they'll flourish like
never before!!

What the hell this man called Kapil Sibal wants?? Destroyer of the
Indian Education System!!
That's how I'd call this man!! Grading in X and CET based on XII
marks!!!! Wow!!

Absolutely Sick!!!

from:  Kantshri Baronia
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 06:46 IST
Ridiculous. All intermediate boards does not have syllabus and neither their marks awarding practice is uniform across India. How come 40% weightage is logical here? Now all boards will try to award marks like air is available to breath. That will an unhealthy competition. Not at all a wise move.
from:  Avinash Baranwal
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 06:46 IST
hopefully Aamir can prevent these guys from landing up in the US too.
from:  dileep
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 07:28 IST
there is no clear clarification on how the both JEE main JEE advance
will be conducted on same day , when only short listed people will be
allowed to write the JEE advanced basing on the performance JEE main
and Class 12 performance

from:  Satyanrayana Duvvuri
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:07 IST
Some state boards are too harsh in giving marks e.g. Bihar while some are too lenient.
This will put students from state board at disadvantage.
This fact must also be considered.

from:  Devender Mishra
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:08 IST
It seems Mr. Sibal is not thinking through the problem.
He has good intentions to achieve two objectives a) discourage tuition institutes and b) reduce stress on students.
However, it is noteworthy that limiting the admission attempts to just two has resulted in tuition institutes sprouting in smaller cities.
Also, including board examination will bring the students under more stress. Now students have to study harder for 4 or 5 subjects (instead of just 3 - physics, chemistry and mathematics).

from:  ravi
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:19 IST
"Those who have appeared in the Class XII Board examinations in 2012 and wish to improve upon their performance can appear again for the Board examinations in 2013. The CBSE and the State Boards will make appropriate arrangements through a special dispensation."............This is utter stupidity.An unfair advantage for the second timer in board exams.......First the HRD minister should try to bridge the wide gap between the standards of board exam in different states and then only a 40 % weightage is justifiable for IIT entrance exam.
from:  somit
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 08:34 IST
The normalisation formula seems to give unfair advantage to the small and boards providing poor quality education. Using the formula same percetage of students will be selected from each board irespective of quality. Please do some example calculations and see.
from:  Sukhdeo
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 10:10 IST
This is completely insane!!! one time our education minister talk
about increasing the good stuff in IIT-JEE, on the other hand don't
allow them to prepare for that, i mean how a student can study XII
board syllabus and IIT syllabus with equal weightage where both having
a different platform.All know that there a cramming for getting good
marks in XII but for IIT you have to study Practically.If he really
want to do this then he must also concentrate on the school staff,
because now the question arises is that as now student have to attend
the school regularly , weather the staff over their is so qualified
that they can provide student the knowledge juxtaposing to IIT level?.

from:  Shubham Sharma MMU
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 10:29 IST
this is a right step,to conduct boards again in 2013 for those who passed in 2012 ,those who had coaching in 2012 did not focus on boards because they knew they need just 60% to be eligible and now who wants to repeat is in huge trouble because they have no board marks with them,this is really unfair with those who passed 12th in 2012,first they are left with one chance only and second suddenly board will decide their future.or they should apply this from 2014
from:  nehashree
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 10:41 IST
This means congy interested in only Urban areas in 2014 and this methods are distratous to rural area students and they can only write exam and pay hefty fee for others to get admission. This way congy will be routd out from rural India and aam admi JEE and Jai sibal
from:  azad
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:05 IST
I don't see the point in this whole approach. what is wrong with the existing system and practices?First of all by conducting a single exam one is marring the prospect of child as on any given bad day one can have a bad test for any number of reason. so its more like putting all egg in one basket. quite frightful proposition indeed. secondly one need to vastly improve upon the quality of 12th standards if they are to get par with IITs Standards. Innovation and creativity, intelligence and smartness need to be measured in order to secure admission to prestigious engineering colleges where as present 12th standard examination and curriculum lacks on these fronts. So there is absolutely no need to give weight to 12th marks.I would rather consider this as Tughlaq -policy lacking in sense and logic and sheer testimony to the stupidity of those on decision making board.
from:  shekhar
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:17 IST
Its a welcome move. It can be termed as Single Application for Various Entrances but not Single Window Entrance. Earlier AIEEE & JEE were held by CBSE & IITs respectively. Now its conducted by JAB of IITs. Pls do not read much into 40% weightage to 12th std board exam marks. IITs are not going to consider it except for equalification. The AIEEE gets new tag as JEE-Main and JEE gets better tag as JEE-Advance. The benefit for student is single application, single day entrance, and single body conducting this entrances. Finally IITs gain on academic side and the words administrative support of CBSE is console to their lost mandate to conduct exams. Its anyway welcome move for cost & time saving for students. Thanks to Kapil Sibal for bringing some relief to students on single application entrance system. Also expect same day resultLets hope syllabus of board exams and IITs entrance syllabus will integrate in future and so our students can perform in any exams even abroad in single attempt
from:  Ezhilan KaVe
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:21 IST
Although the inclusion of board weightage might add to the seriousness
towards the school examination process, but how will the normalisation
process occur for different states?

from:  Sumit Gupta
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:31 IST
Allowing second chance is very welcome step. There are many who inspite of having talents could not get good grade in plus 2 in first attemptand have to give up the dream of IITS . This will alow one more chance to them to prove themselves and fulfill there dreams for further study.
from:  Rajesh Kumar Jha
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:37 IST
This system seems to be complicated. Can't a system comprising 50% weightage to Class XII Board examinations and 50% to JEE main be implemented?
from:  Sathyanarayanan R
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 11:44 IST
Mr. Kapil Sibal unfortunately not aware of 40+ different boards across India. And any board assessment/exam system is not common to other board. Even to arrive a percentile taking the help of ISI is faulty, as the no.of students per board is different to each other. Except IIt-JEE, AIEEE and Centre-funded Institutions exams, no other board exam is genuine. For example, the student getting 100% marks in board is not bound to qualify in IIT-JEE, this is common knowlede even to a single parent of an aspiring student. Considering +2 and Main exam marks of first 50,000 students as the basis for Advance selection to IIT is a faulty method, what if 50,001th student get top marks in Advance test? dont you consider him for IIT? Sibal, bring a common board system across india and strengthen the education system across all states instead og meddling ad degrading the set standards of IITs. You are continuosly confusing with different absurd statements for the last 6 to 8 months. Role back please
from:  M Narendra
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:01 IST
Mr. Kapil Sibal is hell bent to degrade the value of IIts in India. I doubt he is in tremendous pressure from foreign universities asking him to reduce the value of IIts to make their presence in India. Otherwise, why he is showing too much interest in meddling with IIts instead of trying to bring a common board across the nation? Why this hurry to implement halfhazardly in 2013 itself? Another self interest of 2014 elections. He is creating a chaos in students lives with throwing their interests in gutter to entertain foreign universities. He is blaming the Coaching centres for the competition, can he bring the education system and Govt. schools to that standards, where, no student opt for coaching centres? This hasty, irresponsible, careless acts of ministries should be brought down by Supreme court by interfering into their activities of playing with public/students lives.
from:  V MADHAVI
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:04 IST
Then schools across the country should have same syllabus for calss XII. And also there should be only objective questions in class XII exams.

If two different people evaluate same answer sheet, then the same answers will earn different marks. How can this be justified?

from:  vivek
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:07 IST
Adding class XII Board exam marks is a good step towards bringing back
focus on schooling system. But there is wide gap in syllabus pattern in
CBSE, ICSE and state boards. Before implementing government should try
and implement a common pattern of syllabus across all boards in India,
so that competence can be justified.

from:  Radhakrishna A
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:33 IST
I would rather agree with Anand Kumar's qoute "despite the good intentions of the joint councils of the IITs, the NITs and the IITs to have a common admission test, the complicated process could put students, especially those in rural areas, at a disadvantage.". Lets stop pretending that people from rural areas hardly have a fair chance of getting into these institutes with the current system. From my experience in these institutes, majority are from middle class, city dewellers. And the argument that the quality of products of the institutes are entirely depended on the quality of input is flawed.
from:  Girish
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 12:48 IST
one examination system is correct but 12th marks and two test i.e main and advance is not a better idea. this decision is going to affect the career of each and every student of India. so i request to the people of India please protest it.
from:  ambika
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:09 IST
There go our IITs. Over 50 years the country had assiduously, and against all odds, developed a fantastic brand -- proven repeatedly. If amidst the billion things working against us, there was one set of institutions that the country could take pride in, they were the IITs and the IIMs -- and we are witnessing their demise. Emasculatd by a bunch of pathetic politicians who thrive on medocrity, and cannot see beyond the tips of their respective noses. If we have 'leaders' like these, do we really need enemies? God help us.
from:  Ravi S Iyer
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:19 IST
It is high time for state boards to take right steps for welfare of
students of respective boards.Reform is necessary for state boards.

from:  akanksha
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:35 IST
The 40% weightage proposed for the 12th board marks under the new scheme is bound to create unnecessary confusion. Rather, the council should have retained the existing practice of using the board exam scores as just a minimum qualifying criterion. However, unifying the entrance tests to just one JEE is a welcome measure bound to ease a lot of tension for the students. It is hoped that the council comes up with a fair system of testing and admission that maintains the quality level of students entering the portals of premier institutes, while at the same time making sure that rural students are not disadvantaged in any respect.
from:  Niranjan Sundaresan
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 13:51 IST
IITs should go back to the two stage Screening and Mains pattern. That
is the the only way of maintaining quality of students and avoiding
brand dilution.

Mr. Kapil Sibal seems to be on a mission to destroy the quality Indian
education system, scrapping 10 boards, JEE new objective pattern and now
clubbing it with NITs. None of these moves have or are going to reduce
the "stress levels" on the students. The stress is ingrained in the
society and the psyche of the people and not in the examination process
of the education system.

from:  Saurabh
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 14:47 IST
Mr.Kapil Sibal as HRD Minister is doing a wonderful job.The Educational
reforms in the CBSE stream carried out by him deserves to be praised.See
in T.Nadu,the CBSE Students have been handicapped by the abolition of
the Entrance exams few years back.

I do not see any hypocrisy in this new scheme.The students have to still
take the entrance exams.Due weightage is given to the Board Exams which
is fair enough.

from:  R.Somasundaram
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 14:55 IST
Not everyone is interested in getting into the IIT after a grueling
selection process. So why JEE (Advanced) for the rest of the students if
only IITs insist on it? State level qualifying examination and JEE
(Mains) would suffice for the other CFTIs. IITs could continue a much
tougher paper as JEE(advanced) for their ranking.

from:  Ravi
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:23 IST
Girish, your argument is unfortunately flawed. If we want students from rural/semi-rural and economically weak backgrounds to do be better represented in the IITs and IIMs, provide them with the right infrastructure and support (schools, content, teachers, ...). The IITs and IIMs are not to blame for that.The government, instead of diluting the IITs and IIMs, should invest on a war footing to give the talent amongst the semi-rural and rural population the right training to compete. The IITs and IIMs have done commendably well on their charter. Only a flawed society will criticise them. So, I agree with Ambika. If you are capable of rational thinking, please protest this move. Focus instead on providing high quality education to our masses.
from:  Ravi S Iyer
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:24 IST
i wanted to know whether one who has qualified his 12th examz in 2011 is
eligible for this jee 2013??? i mean aieee,as stated in the brochure,
has 3 attempts in consecutive years while iit has only 2. so are they
gonna keep it to 3 attempts or only 2. but thats really not fair on
their part for engineering aspirants have full well rights to avail
these 3 attempts for aieee...just keeping my fingers crossed....i pray
they give us one last chance....

from:  ankita sati
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:35 IST
This is just another attempt to stop the entry of Bihari students in IITs because they don't get such high marks in state board exams. The govet. needs to bring in the mechanism of normalization before implementing this scheme.
from:  Gyan
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:40 IST
Always there are two ways of improvement:
1. Bad way: Take a stick and straighten the people.
2. Good way: Make people realize reasons and do their own good.
It seems that every time one has tried to go by the bad way, it has resulted in utter disappointment and eventual failure of the strategy. The bad ways are temporary ways to fool ourselves and authorities while the good ways are a promising solution.
I am afraid the we have always chosen the bad way of improvement, the temporary one. IITs have tried their best to remain what they were, but in a place like our own nation, they are realizing the depth of the problems. Our old and money-hungry ministers (and don't tell me this is biased) are actually dumb. The wrong people are having the powers to change, how can we expect good out of them?
I am very scared about the future of our nation, since India is HOPELESS ! At least for the next 300 years, it certainly will remain so.

from:  Anjaneya
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 15:56 IST
To get admission into IITs, earlier +2 exam and one IITJEE is
sufficient. Here onwards students have to appear for Main, Advanced
besides +2 and moreover the calculation system is more cumbersome and
complicated. The new system will not be a easy one. Weather the new
system will be an improved version or not will be known only in the
future. The new system seems to be a complicated one. +2 standards
are not uniform throughout the country. Equal weightage for marks
awarded by different Boards with not a uniform standards will not do
justice to the student community. Moreover what exactly the Govt.
wants to achieve with this new system is not clear? They want to
replace the coaching institutions? Not possible. Coaching
institutions will flourish more. If the 50% or 40% weightage for
+2marks is left out, still 50 - 60% weightage is there, where the
need and scope for tutorials/coaching centres flourish. What the GOI
wants to achieve with this new system only God knows.

from:  G Seshagiri
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 16:07 IST
Thanks to Kapil Sibal ! Soon you will see all the politicians / hooligans children in I.I.Ts. I take this opportunity to congratulate all those who were determined to ruin the I.I.Ts. Finally you all got succeeded in initiating the devastation of an institution started by a great visionary namely Panditji. Long live Indian democracy, long enough to destroy all that remaining !
from:  Viswanath
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:05 IST
IIT's under any circumstances should not be compared with other technical institutes. Already some damage has been done by bringing IIT's under the single entrance test. By making separate merit list through JEE Advanced, IIT's are trying to maintain its highest standards. Please don't review it in 2015 for making them at par with other institutes.
from:  Dr J P Chatterjee
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:07 IST
I would rather emphasise the need for the number of seats in each IITs and the number of total IITs to be increased at the same pace with which the reforms are being implemented in order to absorb the bright and deserving students and not to deprive the chance to the poor and the meritorious.

Other systemic issues can be taken care by the experts sitting in the top at state and central board of exams.

For a common man what is required is a college within his state if not district level.

Rest, let's hope for the best!

from:  csnair
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:44 IST
Why not all state boards across India follow only the NCRT/CBSE
syllabus, with only Social Science have one or two lessons catering to
state/regional items (local geography/history/culture/civics).

This will bring education across India from North-East to Gujarat,
from Kashmir to Tamilnadu under single quality of education.

Also the previously talked about National Teaching Service (NTS) like
IAS, IPS, IFS can be implemented for creating quality breed of
Teachers with similar mix of state/regional focus on selection and

from:  Pats
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:50 IST
This is the death knell for the IIT's. As Ravi Iyer mentions, this has been one institution that has survived all odds and produced real genius stuff. We will not see Shankars (AMD) or Gopalakrishnans (Infosys) any more, but only mediocrities churned out like the thousands of other engineering colleges. Of course this has several years of systematic planning and undoing of great efforts by the few respectable institutions we have in the country. We have to hand it our totally corrupt politicians who can never see or allow merit to take the front row.
from:  R.Vasudevan
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 17:57 IST
Intention of HRD minister is not clear. You want a student to prepare for 3 type of exam i.e. board, JEE main and JEE ad.resulting alot of burden.

Instead we should get only 1 type exam conducted 3/4 times in a year to allow student to take any 2 ,

from:  goutam
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 20:51 IST

1.) Un-necessary advantage to 2012 board passouts.
2.) Different boards can't be brought to a common platform so easily,
the syllabus being different.
3.) I personally do not consider board examination to be a parameter
to judge one's capabilities, taking into consideration the internal
4.) All exam on one day...the day would become super critical and
risky with respect to students.

I as an alumni, don't accept it!

from:  Asheshanand Acharya
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 21:17 IST
Single Entrance Test.Needs More Perfection......As There will be single chance available (once in a year) for students to give their best shot.. as previously if one paper goes wrong (JEE) then there still exists other options like AIEEE..... but now its not...

And if we talk about the quality/Brand IIT definitely its level will be going to be lower.

from:  Nish
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 21:50 IST
It is beyond my comprehension that How the IITs,NITs and IIITs boards
have accepted this utterly stupid proposal.If you do little survey of
CBSE,let alone other boards schools of rural and small towns you will
see dismal performance of the students.This is not because that child
borne at these places are stupid.It is only because governments ie.
state as well as central are failed to provide quality education.If
40%weightage is applied for board examination these students will be
out of race.Is government wants to do this?
On what basis there normalization formula will work across the
boards,if they can't normalize in only one board,lets consider only
CBSE if quality of education is considered across the country.
It is the students hard work from these less privileged section,which
enables them to compete with few privileged,who get their education in
good schools.
I will request the government to first improve the quality of
education across country before proposing such a nonsense.

from:  Mahendra Kumar
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 22:13 IST
Considering the mark of the XII is not a right decision. I am not clear
why would one want the marks of XII. keeping a cutoff of say 50% in
academic should be fine.

from:  Goutham
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 22:24 IST
ISEET..is a real stupidity...the 2012-2013 academic year has already started...so such stupid reforms from the yaer 2013 itself would be a pure senselessness because they have already started preparing like earlier JEE ...moreover the idea of taking board percentage into account is another foolishness..as there are huge diffrences among various board checking patterns...
from:  Himangshu Deka
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 23:13 IST
Mr. Sibbal, are you lawyer or chemist....Please stop experimenting.
from:  Pankaj Kumar
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 23:19 IST
Although i do agree and welcome the step taken by HRD but as far as class 12 weightage is concerned I will go with Mr Anand kumar (super 30).
from:  Kuldeep
Posted on: May 29, 2012 at 23:51 IST
Somehow this whole proposed system does not seem to be fair in continuing the quality of IITs.Taking in the marks secured in board,which if from a state board based curriculum tends to much easier than CBSE and less application oriented will work in favor of kids in state board.One of the few aspects of IIT I have taken pride over was them basing the selection process on a highly competitive application based entrance exam.A sad turn of events for the IITs.Actually on second thoughts I am not sure who benefits from this system?!
from:  Nimmisha
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 03:56 IST
First of all,Mr.Sibbal should take serious and pro-result actions to
equate the standards of all state boards with that of CBSE and ICSE,then
only such changes in engineering entrances would be
meaningful.Besides,he added,''the new system would hamper the coaching
industry hard''.But I think these changes might open new doors for
them.In coming years,we most expectantly can witness three-tier coaching
system for engineering entrances-class 12 board preps.,main exam and
advanced exam,that will only worsen the situation.

from:  abhishek parmar
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 08:51 IST
once the IIT have proved their credentials in the world. there is no need to interfere with present process.additing one additional test means additional finanacial burdon on parents, Coaching institute shall enhance thier fee on account of Advance test.The intent to include 12 class weightage is futile, as schools may not match the quality education as coaching cenres.........finaly more stress on students.....additional finacial burdon on parents.
from:  man mohan
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 11:20 IST
i think this new system will definitely reduce stress for students-
especially those who worry about coaching institutes. it is good that
some marks from board are also being considered.

from:  iit aspirant
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 12:12 IST
how can rural students be at disadvantage?
they will get more advantage from the new system as they can do self
study for 70% (board + main). i think only advance require additional
coaching, but now that it consists of only 30%, rural students need not
worry about the advantage of coaching which the city students get.

from:  iit aspirant
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 12:17 IST
What is wrong in IIT having a special status to decide on its own entrance?
In a country where the number of engineering seats are more than the applicants nothing wrong in nutruturing institutes of world class.
I think Kapil Sibla has clearly set the path for self desdruction of this great institutes. In 5 to 10 years time this will be completely destroyed; at that time no one will remember that it is Kapil who se the motion for self-destruction.
Why the government can't pay its attemtion on poorly equiped deemed universities which are autocrat policies in admitting students.
Is ther any vested interest to promote private universities?
Oh Minister another bad move and bad decisions;
What is wrong in asking people what they want rather than you decide and do.
If people less educated are in policy decision making this is what will happen.
God bless this country.

from:  Raj
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 14:04 IST
Good thought...but not the right time to implement it. Unify the board system and then step towards unified entrance examination. When the board syllabus and the evaluation is not standardised, what is the point of unifying the entrance exam? Its just going to be a mockery of the intention to be served.
from:  krithika rai
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 15:02 IST
Those in State Syllabus boards(SSC) score high marks very easily. Getting 95+ is a cake walk for SSC. But for those in CBSE and ICSE, it is very difficult to get that high score. It is not apples to apples comparison.The treatment should be different when it comes CBSE/ICSE.
from:  madhu
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 16:50 IST
For the IIT aspirants this kapil sibals plans will bring all the
students in a huge devastating pressure and will be very difficult for
the countryside IIT aspirants to get entrance in top colleges in india
as this new system demand huge money-indirectly..........please god
please help the iit aspirants

from:  krishna jangid
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 18:24 IST
If there is a hole on the ground, there are two ways to remove it. One, fill the pit with more earth upto the level of the ground around. Two, dig the entire area around the pit, remove the earth and reduce the entire area to the bottom level of the pit(to make it a BIG pit). In India, the government always takes pride in following the latter while the former is easy and logical. God bless India!
from:  Venkatakrishnan Krishnamoorthy
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 20:32 IST
two years hard work and get in to IIT and then most of them went to abroad, what about research and what about service to our mother land ? why this so much craze about IITS ?
if single system for all, than govt of india should establish another 90 IITs with same quality.12th class marks are different from different boards..what abt the honest evaluation system in state boards? wt abt poor students those studying in govt colleges with less quality compare to corporate colleges ?
chidren of ministers ,MPs,MLAs,IAS ,IPS,all central & state employees should admit in government schools & government colleges than think of ONE EXAM ONE NATION ...

from:  roopesh kumar
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 22:47 IST
A classic example. Instead of focusing on the disease, Mr. Sibal is targeting the symptoms. This complicated system of a cumulative score will only prevent extraordinary students from weak backgrounds from getting into good institutes like IITs. The urban kids will easily adapt to the strange system, but it will be a disaster for the kids from rural areas. There will also be undue advantage to some of the students because of all sorts of random provisions in this new system.

Instead of attacking the IIT entrance system tested over time, Mr. Sibal should be thinking about how to improve the standards of secondary education in schools throughout the country, both the curriculum and the teaching. That will cut down the coaching business and also ensure that students do well in their board exams, something that Mr. sibal dearly cares about.

from:  Navish
Posted on: May 30, 2012 at 22:53 IST
The government, parents and teachers need to accept the following reality: it is not practical to devise an evaluation process that can distinguish the intellectual potentials of two candidates differing only slightly in their scores. For example, can any one argue that a candidate scoring 99.1 out of 100 will become a better engineer than the one scoring 99.0? The rat race to score this 0.1 (most often 0.001) is mindless and has distorted our school education. One solution would be to use a lottery system to randomly select the required number of candidates from a pool consisting of all candidates scoring above a certain score, say 80 %. This will allow us to ignore the parrot-style learning and go back to the school to focus on learning the concepts correctly. The government should focus its energy on improving school-level education.
from:  K. Subramaniam
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 11:18 IST
I have read all the comments and it is clear that the overwhelming majority is against this proposal. The proposal appears flawed and many huge mistakes have been pointed out. It is sad to destroy the lives of students in this arbiatary manner
from:  Govardhan
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 11:21 IST

All our discussion is focused on the IIT admission . In in fact we can review the new patterned from point of view of all Engineering admissions
Due to the new pattern the Student preparing for CET Entrance test to secure the admission in state level Engineering college has to do through all the Exam such as HSC Exam and JEE advanced and the JEE main . The study of current CET was possible as own and with the help of some tuition class with less expenses . But due to new pattern good coaching class with higher fee ,This means the majority of the Student has to join the Coaching Class [ Pressure from the lobby of caching class on Mr.Kapil Sibbal ]pay more or else not get the chance of Higher education [ Note that we have recently passed the Resolution for Right To Education ]or has to pay more and get admission in Non Government Colleges [ Pressure from the lobby leader who own the Educational Institutes on Mr.Kapil Sibbal

from:  rajesh churi
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 14:38 IST
When the whole world takes a step forward, India takes a step back. Consideration of 12th marks is completely irrational. There is no iota of normalization of different boards marks. It will always have some error, even of 0.01%, but this 0.01% may decide who will go to IIT and who will go to NIT. Bringing NITs to a common test was a good move as more or less they used to conduct similar pattern of exams, however it could be questioned. But bringing IITs and NITs at the same level does not make any sense. They are two different fruits which can’t grow on same tree.
from:  Tapish
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 14:45 IST
implementing iseet all of a sudden is unfair to those passing hsc in 2012.....First the boards of all the states should be made of equal standards and difficulty and then iseet should be brought in practice.
what has happened is sheer injustice to 2012 passing students,even if they are conducting boards again in 2013.

from:  Ishan
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 15:54 IST
This is equivalent to the system followed by tamil nadu till 2005. Why
education system is southernised? This type of education will not yield
good results.People from Tamil Nadu State board cannot compete in JEE
and AIEEE as the syllabus was different and the method of scoring in NSB
was to by heart the whole book. Mr. Kapil is doing the same with the
other boards

from:  raman
Posted on: May 31, 2012 at 18:10 IST
From a student's perspective, this idea is a complete chaos. Mr.
Sibal's intentions maybe noble, but by the implementation of this new
system, all he's going to create is more stress to many students who
aspire to get into the Premier Technical Institutes of our country.
Thereby, not achieving his main purpose of reducing the pressure on

Besides, he's reducing a students options by narrowly leading them all
to one common Joint Entrance Test. Maybe this idea wouldn't have been
as criticized if he'd given more time to it. However, one of the
biggest questions will be if the standards of the IIT's can be kept up
to it's all time high's, and if the IIT's would still serve the
purpose of their very establishment.

from:  George
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 01:33 IST
This change made by HRD department will affect the students of some state boards where securing mark is very difficult or we can say where number of student scoring high is less.This may led partial ineligibility of those stdents.
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 01:49 IST
Inclusion of 12th board marks for IIT entrance is fine but what about
rural students who can't afford quality education (lack of teachers and
other infrastructure)? Won't it give rise to coaching for 12th board
too now and put the economically poor students at a serious dis-

from:  sanjay
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 09:30 IST
what Kapil Sibal wants is to reduce stress on students but exactly
opposite he is doing.Certainly it will reduce the quality of students
who will make to IITs.Board students doesn't have that intellectual
skills that an IITian should have.

from:  Rajat
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 10:53 IST
Decision to introduce new pattern next year completely ignores
students agony. Current exams/selection pattern is known to students,
with prior years' Q&A, other helpful tools at hand. Students chart
their path based on these existing formats on entering 11th, if not
before. Despite this, students often take their lives in case of
unfavorable outcome. Therefore, new format should be introduced after
resolving dissents from institutions, publishing model Q&A and
states' selection criteria. All this takes time leaving no time for
students to look at sample Q&A and practice. 12th students are
nonplussed due to not knowing new pattern, therefore no mental
readiness. It is urged to resolve these including publishing states'
selection criteria. Also, give a fair advantage to all students -
bright and average by introducing new pattern 2 years from
institutional readiness. The centre should consider this seriously,
instead of distressing 12th students and parents.

from:  satish
Posted on: Jun 1, 2012 at 20:07 IST
It seems Kapil Sibal's decision is highly welcoming appreciable in many
aspects like, reduces stress on the student, discourages rote method and
commercialization of education. It also creates a sense of oneness in
education among the states in our country.

from:  Mary Supriya
Posted on: Jun 2, 2012 at 11:58 IST