“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay


All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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Friday, March 23, 2012

51 - Response of PanIIT Community on Ramaswami Committee recommendations - Yogesh Andalay


From: Yogesh Andlay -IITD Alumnus 
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:28:56 +0530
To: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM 
Subject:  Response of PanIIT Community on Ramaswami Committee recommendations

Dear friends,

We have been asking for responses from the community for a long time now.

And do you know how many people have cared to respond? 
Just a handful.

We respect whatever response we have got. We have heard more comments on the ‘attitude’ of expert committee, their sponsors etc.

We however are yet to hear your understanding of the Ramaswami Committee Report and a critic of it.

One of the ‘Seven Habits of Highly Effective People’ (by Steven Covey) is “Seek first to understand, then to be Understood”.

Are we, the IIT alumni community, a group of really effective people? Are we really listening or more interested in simply telling others what they should be doing?

Can we get some observations of what is good and not so good in Ramaswami Committee recommendations?

Regards 
Yogesh Andlay
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From: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM 
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:29:39 +1100
To: Yogesh Andlay -IITD Alumnus 
Subject:  Response of PanIIT Community on Ramaswami Committee recommendations


Yogesh you may mean well, I give you that.

Ramasamy committees recommendation is in line with Pancha Ratna document produced by PanIITians. So what are you trying to establish now ?

Ramasamy committee also complained that no one was interested in commenting, except no one knew they were asked. You and Ramasamy committee could have engaged the IITians Passionate about retaining JEE. Ramasamy committes request was made in some obscure web site that no one knows about.

My suggestion to you is to get Dr Ramasamy on board and we can tell him why he is wrong. Kindly pass the link to the Petition to Dr Ramasamy.

Mate the damage is done and JEE has been effectively killed off by HRD and mindless PanIITians and is now clinically dead awaiting cremation.
It is all water under the Bridge. Too Late the Hero. 

If IIT JEE coaching schools are seen as a menace, wait until you have ISEET Coaching schools in every street corner and then we will have AICTE going about giving accreditations to ISEET schools which paid big bribes. 

ISEET over the years will become a bigger monster than JEE. But JEE was never a monster but portrayed as one by IIT JEE administrators who had no solutions to offer as an alternative.

Why is the PanIIT exe committee having dug the Grave for JEE, hiding behind you now?

In Case you have been too busy to Read and endorse the Save IIT JEE Petition have a read now and it might open your eyes

The petition was created by people who are passionate about IITs and JEE and signed by 2500 IIT ians. Is this not enough and you want us to review some Ramasamy committee report that rubber stamps HRD guidelines ? You have to be kidding..

In Case you do not wish to click on the url here the text of the petition

Dr Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India, 
Mr. Kapil Sibal, Union Minister of Human Resources & Development, 
Mrs. Sushma Swaraj, Leader of the Opposition, 
Smt. Meira Kumar, Speaker of the House 
Members of the Parliament in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha, 
State Education Ministers, Chairman of the UGC, 
Directors of all IITs and Citizens of India. 

Petition Created on 5th April 2010. 

Subject : An appeal not to abolish a proven system called JEE (Joint Entrance Examination for IITs). 

Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, our first Prime Minister and a great visionary, created the five IITs, getting UNESCO, USA, Germany, UK & Russia to fund, furbish, staff and nurture them in the initial years. Pandit Nehru built them on the lines of premier institutions world wide. The dream was to kickstart and accelerate a process that would identify talented high school graduates and provide them a high quality education in engineering. 

To qualify for the JEE (Joint Entrance Exam for IITs) every applicant must have passed the final examination of the 10+2 system (or equivalent) with Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics. There was no emphasis on overall performance at high school and none on students educational background, promoting a level playing field for students from nooks and corners of India. 

Over the past 50 years, 175,000 graduates of the IITs have established IIT as a Global Brand, facilitated by the autonomous structure & funds granted to the IITs by the Government of India. This valuable Brand name arose out of the graduates being able to compete in the global market place, where merit and capability are the only measures that matter. The success of IIT alumni who have done the Nation proud belongs to the Indian Government, the IITs themselves and also the Indian Tax Payers, whose money was invested unconditionally by GoI in IITs for five decades. 

Whilst all of the above share credit for the success of the IITs, basic marketing principles would say that a Global Brand is created more by its graduates and the benefits that those alumni bring to India and the world at large, than any other single entity; thus, IIT Alumni is a critically important group to consider. 

Such excellence and recognition could not have been achieved over a sustained period of 50 years, without the help of the selection process. The key ingredient to the IIT system is the JEE ( Joint Entrance Examination ), that has helped pick truly gifted students for 50 years for a B.Tech Degree. Quality materials are needed to develop a quality product, and JEE does just that, selecting from about 400,000 aspirants annually, the cream of the nation to study at IITs. 

Whilst JEE is a key ingredient, the IIT Brand is a recognition of the contribution of IITians to the Global society. IIT Alumni have created many new companies and have se rved the nation by introducing state of the art technologies. They have helped generate several million jobs over the last 50 years globally, with almost 75\% of those jobs being created in India. 

Quoting French Nobel Prize winner for literature in 1921, Anatole France To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. The IIT Brand has inspired passionate young Indians to dream big, believe in themselves and aspire with confidence. 

In accordance with the IIT Act, the President of India initiated a review of the IIT system in 2004 by a Committee consisting of : 

Prof. Rama Rao, former Vice Chancellor, University of Hyderabad; 
R. Chidambaram, then Principal Scientific Advisor; 
Dr G. Mehta, Director Indian Institute of Science; 
Dr S.K.Joshi, National Physical Laboratory; 
A. Mahindra, Chairman Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd; 
and C.K.Birla, Chairman Hindustan Motors 

and they had concluded that : 

JEE is singularly responsible for accomplishing the brand image of India and the system which has been put into place to conduct the JEE exam should NOT be disturbed and that a group be formed of senior IIT professors who have been associated with the JEE to look into some reforms. 

There has been no review since and nothing could have changed to warrant abolition of JEE by 2013 as reported by the media in recent times. 

Any system that has consistently delivered high on career development can be prone to abuse. There have been allegations of some misuse of the JEE too. Private coaching classes have mushroomed around the country to circumvent JEE methodologies used to identify excellence. This needs to be fixed. 

However abolishing JEE would be a case of "throwing the baby out with the bath water". We are sure you will see our appeal is fair, in the best interest of the nation and children of the future. 

There is a good case for the proposed Common Entrance Test (CET) eliminating the need for one student to take multiple exams for example the CBSE Board 10+2, IIT JEE, BITS Pilani, AIEEE, State Level MH-CET and private college entrance tests and then having to attend in-person interviews for seat allotments for example in Trichy (TN), Warrangal (AP), Pilani ( Rajhastan), Wakaranghat (HP), Delhi, Mumbai and more. 

However with hurdles like 18 official languages, many backward class students deserving reservation and a large disparity between rich and poor in terms of opportunities & awareness, implementing CET will be a challenge; it further compounds the risk of placing all eggs in one basket called the CET, eliminating free choice. What happens to a clever student who for reasons beyond his control does badly in the CET or is forced to miss CET. Does he or she not deserve a few more options ? 

CET will grade a million students whilst JEE differentiates between the top 10000 students by testing their native intelligence. Even if CET is established, the need for JEE will not diminish as it is a unique high grade filtering process. JEE is unique in testing complex problem solving skills requiring abstract & lateral thinking while other entrance exams test knowledge. 

JEE is very different from 10+2 board exams in that JEE tests a students raw intelligence, which is an indivi dual's ability to grasp abstract concepts, recognize patterns plus apply prior knowledge while 10+2 school board exams test knowledge acquired at school. Restricting entry to JEE by raising the qualifying marks from 60\% to 85 \% in 10+2 exams as is being considered is a retrograde step as it will deny IITs the benefit of selecting some very clever and creative students, favouring those who only excel in examinations. Should such talented students be denied the opportunity of a lifetime for an affordable and superlative education ?. 

If the current JEE format allows any form of "beating the system", then what is essential is to plug the loopholes. If, as alleged, JEE standards may have been compromised by the very people meant to guard the system, it is not a system failure, but a violation of ethics that requires eradication. The system needs to be streamlined to plug the loopholes without compromising on any processes which ensure standards. 

JEE is the Gold Standard for Engineering entrance exam and should stay. This appeal is for GoI to set up an Independent Commission to correct the flaws and abuses in the JEE system and not to abolish the methodology. 

To abolish the JEE would be tantamount to finding a key ingredient of a winning formula and removing it. There is no scientific basis whatsoever for doing this, no scientific evidence whatsoever that the Global IIT brand would be improved, and no scientific evidence whatsoever that any generally accepted objective would be achieved. Indeed, such a move flies directly in the face of any evidence-based thinking that has been put forward. 

The Nation will be indebted to the Ministers of GoI, for making the right decision Not to Abolish JEE and that JEE, the Gold Standard, will continue to serve our children of future generations. 

We the undersigned "Save JEE Team of Volunteers", offer our services to the nation to help investigate, redesign and develop a fool proof and just "JEE" system. 

Ram Krishnaswamy, B.Tech 1970, IIT Madras, M. Bldg. Sc. Sydney University, MIE.Aust., MAAS., 
1990-97 Managing Director- Environmental Noise control Pty Ltd. 
1997-2000 Managing Director - Noise Control Australia Pty Ltd. 
Currently: Managing Director NoDesCo, Sydney, Australia. 

Arvind Singh, B.Tech 1993, IIT Kanpur 
Currently: Software Development Lead and Principal Architect, Marshall Watson , Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA 

B.K.Syngal, B.Tech (Hons)1961, M.Tech 1962 IIT Kharagpur, India, 
C.Eng (UK), M.I.E.E. (UK), Sr. M.I.E.E.E. (USA), and F.I.ET.E. (India), Member London Court of International Arbitration. 
1991-98: Chairman and Managing Director of Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. (VSNL), 1998-2001: Chairman, Reliance Telecom, 
2001-2007: Vice Chairman, BPL Communications Limited, Currently: Sr. Principal Dua Consulting, India 

Barun Kumar, B.Tech 1992, IIT Kanpur, Currently: DGM, Reva Electric Car Company, India 

Dr. Beheruz N. Sethna, B.Tech, 1971, IIT Bombay, MBA, 1971, IIM Ahmedabad, M.Phil., Columbia University, Ph.D., Columbia University, 
Professor and President of The University of West Georgia, with two terms served as Interim Executive / Senior Vice Chancellor of the University System of Georgia 
(Dr. Sethna is the first Indian-born President ever of any U.S. University) 

Chidambaram Raghavan, B.Tech. 1974 IIT Madras, M.Sc in Engg 1976 Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland USA 
1978-85: Worked in the Indian Administrative Service (IAS), 1985-06: Principal Research Engineer at Flow International Corporation, Kent, Washington 
Currently: Consultant for Aerospace and Advanced Systems in India to Flow International Corporation, India 

Gajendra Sidana, B.Tech 2006, IIT Madras, Currently: Process Safety Engineer, Hazira LNG Pvt. Ltd (a Shell & Total Joint Venture), India 

Dr. G.S.Parthasarathy, M.Tech 1969, IIT Madras, Prof in Civil Engineering, M.S.University of Baroda, Gujarat, India 

Dr. Harwant Singh Chhabra, B.Tech1969, IIT Madras, MBA, Fellow IIM Ahmedabad, Former Professor, NITIE and IIML, Currently: President, Lemonte Acquisitions Houston, USA 

Jairam Sampath, B.Tech 1985 - IIT Madras, PGDM 1989 - IIM Ahmedabad, Currently: CMO - iPath Technologies, India 

Dr. Narayana Prakash R.Saligram, B.E 1976 (NITK, Suratkal), M.Tech1980 IIT Bombay, PhD 1993(IISc), Currently: VP (Operations) Plug Power Energy India Pvt. Ltd., India. 

Navroze Havewala, B.E, PGDM IIM Bangalore, Currently: Chief Executive of Mazda Consultants, India. 

Padmanabh Sahasrabudhe, B.E 1999 JNEC, M.Tech 2001, IIT Bombay, Currently: Senior Member of Techni cal Staff in Oracle USA. 

Dr. P R Swarup, B.Tech 1975, IIT Kanpur, Ph.D Rajeev Gandhi Technical University, Bhopal, D.Sc. (Honoris Causa) 
1975-96 Worked on Physical Infrastructure Construction Projects in India and overseas 
Currently: Director General, Construction Industry Development Council, New Delhi, India 

Raghav Mittal, M.Tech [Dual Degree] 2004, IIT Kharaghpur, Managing Director Extra Edge Infomedia Pvt. Ltd, New Delhi, Editor UPTU WATCH, Trustee & Chairman Paarth Educational Foundation, Mathura, Mentor Paarth Educational Services, Mathura, Advisor: Braj Chikitsa Sansthan; BSA College of Engineering & Technology, Mathura , Trustee & Project Coordinator, The Braj Foundation , Secretary, Braj Rakshak Dal . Member, District Vigilance Committee Mathura, Coordinator, Students' Forum for India's Heritage [SFIH], Convener, Bharat Bandhu Network [BBN], Member, Bharat Punarnirman Dal [BPD] 

Dr. Raj Mutharasan B.Tech 1969, IIT Madras , M.S. Drexel University 1971, Ph.D. Drexel University 1973 
Frank A. Fletcher Professor of Chemical and Biological Engineering, Drexel University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA 
Former Dean of Engineering, Drexel University, Philade lphia, Pennsylvania, USA 

Ramanan Ramamurti, B.Tech 1976, IIT Madras, Currently: Director - Nile Ltd., India 

Ranjan Pant. IIT Kanpur B.Tech (1973). Currently, Chief Technology Officer at Powermax Global, Maryland, USA. 
Involved in organizing IIT alumni activities in the US since 1998; Co-founder of Capital IIT (later Pan IIT association of Washington DC); 
Co-chair of world's first major international IIT conference (Washington DC, 2002); 
co-author of IIT India's Intellectual Treasures and forthcoming book Global 101 which features 101 IIT alumni making key global contributions 

Sadashiv. K, B.Tech 1977, IIT Madras, MBA IIM Bangalore, Currently: Partner (ASEAN)-Climate Change & Sustainability Services, Ernst & Young, Singapore 

Dr. Samir Kelekar, B.Tech 1983, IIT Bombay, MS 1987 Clemson University, USA, Phd 1994 Columbia University, NYC, USA. 
Founder- Director of Teknotrends Software Pvt Ltd, Bangalore, India. 

Dr. Sanat Agrawal, B.Tech 1988, IIT Kanpur, 
Currently: Associate Professor, Mechanical Engg, Jaypee Institute of Engg and Technology (JIET), Madhya Pradesh, India. 

Sanjay Jadhav, B.Tech 1989, IIT Bombay, MBA 2003, IIT Kanpur, currently Director on Golden Arch International Ltd., India 
Guest faculty at National Power Training Institute , Project Director and Volunteer at Bharatshodh 

Selvaraj Israel, B.Tech 1972, IIT Madras. Retd Engineer SG ISRO. Currently Researching Human Posture, India 

Somayajula Achuta Ramaiah, B.Tech 1967, IIT Madras. Wing Commander (Retd) Indian Air Force, India 

Somnath Bharti, MSc (IITD), LLB (Delhi University), Advocate, Supreme Court of India and Delhi High Court, Partner, Bharti & Associates (Advocates and Corporate Lawyers), India. 
Former Secretary, IIT Delhi Alumni Association, Formerly Member, Senate, IIT Delhi, Founder, Save Vikram Buddhi Movement. 

Dr. Sriram Parthasarathy, B.Tech 1982, IIT Madras, PhD 1998 Georgia Tech, India 

Suresh Adina, B.Tech 1989, IIT Kharaghpur, MS 1992- MIT USA, MS 1998- NEU USA, Currently: MD Quickeagle Networks, USA 

Udit Chaudhuri, BSc 1979, Univ of Delhi, Adv Dipl Mgt -Wolfgang Mewes Verlag, Strategy Consultant / Technical Writer / Lead Coordinator (SME Interim Management Program), India 

Varada Raju Dharanipragada, B.Tech 1970, M.Tech 1974, IIT Madras 
Currently : Professor, Department of Mechanical Engineering, Gayatri Vidya Parishad College of Engineering, Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh, India 

Vickram Crishna, B. Tech 1975, IIT Delhi, P.G.D.M. 1977 IIM Calcutta, Chief Executive, Radiophony, India, Currently: Coordinator, Privacy Network in Asia, India. 

Vikash Kodati, B.Tech 2002, IIT Guwahati , Currently: Technical Manager at Verasta a subsidiary of Trilogy, USA. 

Vinayak Markande, B.Tech 1980, IIT Bombay; DMS- University of Bombay 
1993-96 : Project Manager- National Peroxides Ltd., Kalyan, Mumbai, 1996-05 : Sr. Project Manager- Larsen & Toubro Ltd., Baroda 
Currently: Director / Proprietor - Perrin Valves Pvt. Ltd., Baroda, India 

Ramo
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From: Yogesh Andlay -IITD Alumnus 
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:19:59 -0000

Thanks Rambo for highlighting the petition once again.

I am extracting a few sentences from your petition:

"JEE is singularly responsible for accomplishing the brand image of India and the system which has been put into place to conduct the JEE exam should NOT be disturbed and that a group be formed of senior IIT professors who have been associated with the JEE to look into some reforms. "

JEE has undergone reforms several times in the past. The way I took JEE in 1974 was different from the way JEE was conducted last year. The exam process has been changing with changing environment.

We need to talk about the following things:

a. What should be changed?

b. What process should we adopt for identifying it?

c. Who should be involved?

d. How should it be implemented?

Suggestions for change can come from many sources. Why can not the students and their parents ask for a change in JEE system and also suggest what they feel should be done?

They will approach their elected representatives (read politicians) first. Is there anything wrong in it?

I will agree with you that any implementation of change should be done by the IIT community - faculty and administration of IITs. The 'autonomy' of these temples of higher learning should be respected and preserved.

And we must fight for preserving this autonomy of IITs. But we should also be open to listening to everyone else and 'listen as if our life depends upon it'.

Regards

Yogesh

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From: Sreemay Basu -IIT Kgp- 
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:26:54 +0530

Yogesh - is it worth the effort?  

The ruling party has an agenda - everything else is secondary.  

Those like me, who had been associated with the AICTE since inception, know how under this government everything but self-interest is eyewash.  Prof Nigam then at Goa after leaving IITD, and I walked out of an accreditation meeting way back in 1995, as it was abundantly clear that a fly-by-night outfit were to be given sanction against our recommendation. This was during S K Khanna's tenure.  

Did Kapil Sibal not say famously, there were no losses to the people of India in the 2G allotment?  Now its the even bigger Coal Block scam. To say nothing of CWG and Robert Vadra reportedly becoming the fastest billionaire.

You seriously want us to burn the midnight oil over the Ramaswami report?

Sorry to sound so pessimistic - I have not the energy of a Rambo to tilt at windmills.

Best,
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 From: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM 
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:35:14 +1100
To: Yogesh Andlay -IITD Alumnus 
Subject:: Response of PanIIT Community on Ramaswami Committee recommendations

Yogesh, I am aware of all the reforms that JEE has undergone. 
Way back in October 2005 we had a small IIT Global Save IIT Jee Group of concerned IIT alumni. 

This is still the introductory note as seen on the Home Page of the Save IIT JEE Yahoo Group

The need of the hour is for concerned alumni from all IIT's to:
1-trace the history,
2-share personal Jee experiences,
3-discuss JEE as it was in the past and as it stands now
4-discuss how powerful, coaching institutions have become over the years
5-and how this has resulted in a current crop of students who may not be the most intelligent and creative
6-concerns the academics at IITs have about decline in quality of students
7- the fact that students are stressed & burnt out in the process
8-resulting in poor performance doing a B Tech after selection to IIT's.
There is an urgent need to put our heads to gether and work closely as a team and create a White Paper that will be presented on behalf of IIT Global members to the National advisory Board to be passed on to HRD Ministry...
One requirement from members would be that members will maintain total confidentialty of all exchanges within the group maintaining the integrity of fellow members at all times and bring about a positive contribution that will serve IIT's and the Nation for decades to come.
A commttee will collectively approve membership
Welcome Aboard
Ramboaus
IIT Global owner Moderator

This is what I was led to believe in 2005 by friends who are faculty members at IITs and also involved in administering JEE Nation wide

Today in 2012, I believe we are barking up the wrong tree, namely the JEE Coaching schools. 

For arguments sake imagine an India without any JEE coaching schools, convince me that IITs would have found better caliber entrants..

Are JEE Coaching schools guilty as accused ?
No one is guilty until a guilty verdict is made by the nation and not by Ramasamy committes instructed to provide a conforming report. 

What ever Dr Ramasamys personal credentials how would he know about IIT JEE? . What he knows is what his committee members told him.

Now ask Ramasamy committee members to surface and debate the issue publicly.
I doubt if they will as from experience we know neither Nandan Nilekani nor R.S Sharma will take the challenge to a public debate on Aadhaar.. NN gets extremely disturbed and angry even with people who ask questions.

Is this we call a democracy ?

Rambo
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From: Somnath Bharthi- IITD-
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:07:08 +0530

Yogesh,

>Suggestions for change can come from many sources. Why cannot the students and their parents ask for a change in JEE system and also suggest what they feel should be done?
 >They will approach their elected representatives (read politicians) first. Is there anything wrong in it?

Advocating for the above is like allowing people aspiring to work for a company to demand a change in the selection process to suit their comfort level….isn’t it too much for the sake of an argument?

More so because, take it from me on oath, no student or parent has reached politicians asking for a change….it is a self-determined drive by MHRD under the direction/tutelage of Hon’ble Minister Kapil Sibal. There were only two ways available for him to put people’s worry at rest, one was to raise the standard of school education to match what it requires to secure a seat in IIT and second was to lower the standard of JEE and second one was opted for.

At this stage, I don’t think the approach opted for will lead us anyway closure to have an effective voice vis-à-vis JEE abolishing decision. The platform is all set and no less than a court’s intervention would do anything desirable. Another approach or a simultaneous drive should be to obtain opinion of top 500 CEOs of the world vis-à-vis their worry on the expected compromise of the quality of output because of JEE being done away with.

In the guise of welfare state which was propounded by Nehru and his likes, the govt is having its way without owning any responsibility, whatsoever, as to the possible outcomes if they go wrong. 

Let the minister file an affidavit that the decision taken to abolish JEE will bring out enumerated benefits and to substantiate his claims enough homework has been done and all the stakeholders were consulted.

SOFT BLOWS WILL BE OF NO USE AND AT THE MOST WILL BE AN INTELLECTUAL EXERCISE FOR WHICH WE WOULD NO LONGER BE KNOWN FOR IN VIEW OF CBSE MANAGED NEW JEE.

Regards,
Somnath Bharti, Advocate
Supreme Court of India and Delhi High Court
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From: Yogesh Andlay -IITD Alumnus 
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:25:23 +0530
To: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM 

Thank you very much for your detailed response. I am happy to learn that all of us have one common passion - to preserve the IIT and see them scaling new heights.

I was not aware of the past work.

We also desire a dialog with Ramaswamy committee and others experts. We should "talk to them" instead of "talking about them".

With these thoughts we requested the community to send us questions that they would like to ask.

Help us make a battery of these questions and then we will invite all the stakeholders including Ramaswamy committee and experts  to discuss them in a discussion forum.

Look forward to your support.

Regards,

Yogesh
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From: Suresh Adina 
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:24:16 +0530

Yogesh, since you chose to use a quotation by Steven Covey, I would like to ask you the same:

1) Have you understood who the IIT Alumni are and what they are thinking?

2) Have you made attempts to be understood by us?

As an Alumnus I can say that neither has been done and forms major part of my frustration with these initiatives. We start with preconceived notions on both sides and effectively nothing moves.

Maybe before talking about any commissions or reports, it would serve everyone well, if attempts are made to understand and be understood. Now who will start, I do not know. I for one, do not know who to understand, and hence keep making attempts to be understood. But since it is not known who I am addressing my mails to, failing miserably in those attempts.

PIAI knows who the alumni are (names batches etc) - maybe they can start by understanding who the alumni are as people with thoughts and opinions and what they are about and continue by trying to be understood.

That would be a good start in my opinion. With that, this group can indeed become quite effective (if the intent is there) and can take all kinds of committees and reports in its stride.

Again, i am not sure who is listening or will respond, but will keep doing what I can. Hopefully someday, someone will understand. Until then, I will keep trudging on.

Cheers
Suresh A
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