“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay

All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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Thursday, March 15, 2012

28 - Govt to go ahead with ISEET - Deccan herald

Govt to go ahead with ISEET

New Delhi, Feb 13, 2012, DHNS:
States to be persuaded to accept single entrance test proposal
The Human Resource Development Ministry is all set to go ahead with its plan to conduct a common engineering entrance examination from 2013, but the first nation-wide test may only cover technical institutions funded by the Centre.

Meanwhile, the states will also be persuaded to accept the proposal to conduct a single entrance test for admission to engineering colleges under their jurisdiction.

“Ministry will go ahead with its plan to conduct a common entrance test in 2013 for admissions to science and engineering institutions funded by the Central government, if not for all the technical institutions functioning across the country,” sources in the HRD Ministry told Deccan Herald.

This means that the entrance test, to be conducted next year, will only cover 15 Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs), 30 National Institutes of Technology (NITs), four Indian Institutes of Information Technology (IIITs), five Indian Institutes of Science Education and Research (IISERs) and few deemed universities which come under the purview of the HRD Ministry.

According to recommendations of the Ramasami committee, the single entrance, that can would be called as Indian Science-Engineering Eligibility Test (ISEET) 2013, will be conducted in two parts—main and advance—in April or May next year.
As per the proposal, examinations will be of three hour duration each and will be held on one single day, sources said.

For admission, a candidate must score above 40 per cent in Class-XII board examination. However, weightage accorded to the performance in Class-XII can go up to 100 per cent. “The combined weightage for the Main and the Advance paper under ISEET shall not, in any case, exceed 60 per cent,” sources said.

It is for the individual educational institutions or the state government to decide on the weightage to be accorded to the scores in Class-XII, main and advance examination, they added.

The proposal

As per the proposal, it would be up to each institution or groups of institutions or state agencies to conduct counselling and admission.

At present, there are around 15 lakh engineering colleges across the country and over 150 entrance tests are conducted for admission to these institutes. “Ministry wants to bring change in the current system in order to give relief to students of multiple tests by introducing a common entrance test for all these technical institutions. But, this requires the states’ consent to the proposal for its implementation all over the country,” sources said.

A meeting of the state education ministers on the issue is “tentatively” scheduled on February 22.

“At the meeting, the states will be urged to deliberate on the issue and take a view on the implementation of the recommendations of the Ramasami Committee,” sources added.

Ram Krishnaswamy IITM Wrote:

IITs down the gurgler. Mindless Ramasami kills of IIT JEE :-(
Sad Day for IITs and India.
From: Venkateswaran IITM
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:21:21 -0000

Is there any way to stop this now? 
Can we (those who are against it) refrain from attending the PAN-IIT meet this year in protest?
Should we go on a hunger-strike??!
From: Ravikumar Bhaskaran IITKgp 
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:19:16 -0800 (PST)

I thought there are 16 IITs totally - the 7 older ones at Kharagpur, Bombay, Madras, Kanpur, Delhi, Guwahati and Roorkee , the 8 new ones, namely Bhubaneswar, Patna, Ropar, Mandi, Jodhpur, Indore, Hyderabad and Gandhinagar and IIT BHU. Why are all reports talking of only 15 IITs? 

Is the Indian Institute of Space Science and Technology under the Dept. of Space going to be exempted from being brought under the ISEET.  I find no mention of this Centrally funded Institution anywhere when they are talking of a Common Entrance Examination !!
From: Ashok Kalbag IITB
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:30:34 +0530

" Why only 15 IITs and not 16? - Is IISST being exempted?"
IIT-BHU is technically not yet an IIT. The bill is pending in parliament.
From: Ravikumar Bhaskaran IITKgp 
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:43:42 -0800 (PST)

Thanks. I read just now in the IT-BHU website as follows: 
It is built-in in the Amendment Bill that the students admitted in 2006-07 session and thereafter, and graduating in 2009-10 and thereafter, will be awarded the IIT Degree; provided that such candidates have not been awarded the degree. BHU has kindly agreed and consequentially postponed the conferment of the degree by deferring the convocation of IT-BHU for the 2009-10 session, to benefit such students."

Incidentally I found an interesting news about BHU-IT that though they admit students through IIT-JEE for all their UG Programmes in Engineering in respect of their B.Pharm. degree programme, presently half the intake is through IIT-JEE and the rest by means of combined PMT-PAT Examination of BHU 


From: Monu Abraham, 
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:34:33 +0000

A lot has been said on this subject and I would like to add another perspective. 
I am not sure I fully endorse the views of all the doomsayers. 

Some years ago when my two sons were looking for admission to Colleges in Delhi for Commerce and Economics I noted that the better colleges had higher cut off marks for admission. This resulted in the best going to these colleges - colleges such as St. Stephens, Shriram college etc. These colleges also attract the best corporates for campus recruitment thus reinforcing their standing and justifying their higher cut off marks. Recently there was a hue and cry in the media because some Delhi college - probably Shriram College of commerce - specified 100% marks as their cut off. 

BITS Pilani had a very high cut off >93% in 1995 when my son applied - I believe the cut off is even higher now - for admission to Engg. They have also managed to get good students and maintain a fairly good reputation in spite of their location disadvantage. 

To extend the logic to our case there is no reason why IITs cannot specify higher cut off levels as admission criteria for results of the common entrance exams. The same can also be applied to the part from board exams. This will result in a fairly good standard of students.

It is also a fact that all good students in India do not write the IIT entrance exam - I know my son didn't because he felt that it would affect his preparation for the 12th board exam - I know of many other smart young kids who had similar reasons for not writing the IIT entrance exam. By having a common entrance exam we may in fact be harvesting students from a larger base which will be a definite plus. 

Finally it is not right to expect the world to stand still and continue practices started over 50 years ago. We must accept that change is inevitable but we must also learn to adapt it intelligently to our advantage. In this case to ensure that IITs continue to get the best students. 
Phew I finally got it off my chest. 

Varghese aka Monu
From: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM 
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:23:27 +1100

Monu, Doom sayers know more than you think.

Kapil Sibal planned this in June 2009 . His campaign manager Gupta owns a few colleges. His youngest son is behind this and showed  the whole plan the week Kapil became the Minister and said that he will get it through.

Now all the examination money will go to him.

Say 5 million students apply for all these IITs. And this guy charges Rs 1000 per student. That is Rs 500 crores. 10% of that will go to him for his lifetime.

Marks in this common exam will be controlled by HRD Babus and Not IITs.

Believe it or not,

Doom Sayer
From: "Ved IITM
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:51:07 -0600

Rambo Mate: Nice to have you back. ....
One should have optimism sprinkled with a dose of realism or constructive cynicism.
 Optimism gives one hope in this turbulent world. Without hope, life could become meaningless.
 Your point is however valid - India is so corrupt that it has nowhere to go but up.


From: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM 
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:40:45 +1100

Ved,  this has nothing to do with optimism.Some of us who opposed this common entrance exam have had info on the people driving the scheme.
Not long before it becomes another scam. Believe it or not.

From: Achuta Ramaiah IITM-
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:49:35 +0530

Ram ,  So iit-jee is dead !! So far so good by sibal,s way. Fine wil the new scheme score over iit jee. Hard to guess. Well your and our fight is over. Let us congratulate ourselves as being of the old order and say cheers. Just watch the performance for just one year and with chaos all over people will bay for blood for the old iit jee. So wait for the day !!!!