“ a compromise formula which includes a proposal to take top 20% students based on percentile ranking of respective boards for preparing the merit list”

How meaningless is this solution ?. Higher education in India will become the domain of the school toppers and Children of affluent parents and we wonder why half a million students leave India to study undergraduate courses overseas. Children who will never return to a country that shunned them.

Is this is what we call inclusive in RTE ?.

God Save India

Inclusive education does not mean that everyone must enter, or pass out from, an IIT. It only means that if you wanted to, you could have a shot at it. The child labourer is excluded because she can never dream of entering an IIT; she may absolutely hate IIT, but not trying to join an IIT should be her decision. Even if there is only one IIT train, every child must have access to the platform where the train comes. Of course, not everyone will get on to the train but everyone knows what to do to have a shot at the train. This is called inclusion in education. Everyone must go to school till class 12; those who work hard, and are willing to work harder still, will join an IIT. Others will, by choice, decide not to work that hard and become economists.

Shubhashis Gangopadhyay

All children are born equal and mindless politicians are trying to grade the children and youth of the nation and create a new Brahamanical Caste system in Education, which is pandering to the neo rich who can afford to send their children to elite private schools and Coaching schools.

"HRD Ministry of India wants to build castles of higher education on the bamboo scaffoldings of its schools" ~ Satish Jha

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Monday, March 12, 2012

13 - JEE Alternate Testing System: The New Olympics Rules by S.V.Divvaakar

From: S V Divvaakar
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:59:31 +0700

Interesting to see the enormous discussion on a pertinent issue of national interest.

Imagine this were about the Olympics. The comparison is not erroneous. After all, the JEE is the f&^% Olympics of engineering aptitude testing exams.

In the Olympics:

1. Does an athlete or competitor get restricted for working only on shotput, and neglecting javelin and high jump practice?

2. Even if you were the best javelin thrower, do you need to have a minimum proficiency level in volley ball and swimming?

3. To participate in the 2016 Olympics, would you be banned for not going on your daily jog regularly the last two years?

4. Even if you get the longest throw at the Olympics, would you be ranked using one of six ways of combining the results of your throw in your backyard ( doesn’t matter what the distance was, only whether you were in the first list or second list), and a mass ability test that checks your ability to do a good thanks speech after getting a prize, your general sports aptitude covering all types of sport, and then after six months, you will know if you are the winner of an Olympics prize...

5. Do you want to sieve out and award the best javelin throwers, the best shot puts, and the best pole-vaulters separately for excelling in their unique sports, or want to award someone who scores on the combined score , but is not a topper in any of these? Does the policy maker and the committee remember Mendel, traits and genetic theory?

The challenge is to see that the right profile of students get in and out, based on a listing of skills and aptitudes we all agree to consider as the benchmark of excellence. For 60 years that has been the consensus, that the outputs of the system has produced consistently a set of people that have made useful contributions to engineering, business, law, politics, etc.

If something has gone wrong about that assumption and the output is not matching the profile, the solution is to fix the JEE itself make it better, to improve its ability to filter out the new profile that will make a good future engineer/ manager/ whatever. Perhaps use a combo of multiple choice plus long answer questions, throw in a few personality, IQ and EQ tests etc... but not have a bigger nightmare- a multiple testing that is outside the JEE itself and will attempt to reconcile 42testing regimes. By doing so, we jettison the unambiguity of a controlled test environment which is the fundamental prerequisite of an accurate and robust testing method of any measurand.

Lastly, those in power that decide all this should ask: Will this type of long-ranging multiple test points not be used for elections-prelims, local, state and national levels, as those are t ests for even more crucial positions in our society?
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From: Ravi Chandra Palaparthi IITM -
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 06:48:55 -0700 (PDT)

In the context of India, one can be selected to be part of the Olympic team if one is related to any mafia family that claims to have received some special permission from the authority to rule (read high command).

You can also travel as part of the official team just because you have the right connections, and not because of your calibre to play sports or be of any use to the players.

While your example is valid elsewhere, it just does not jive well with yhr context of India.
From: Ram Krishnaswamy-IITM
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:45:18 +1100
Who will explain this to HRD Minister ?
Not IAS Babus who detest IITians generally and believe IAS exam is tougher than JEE :-)

From: BasabGhosh IIT Kgp
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:52:20 +0530This is extremely fallacious argument. Engineering education is NOT Javelin throwing or High Jump. If you must compare Engineering education with an Olyimpic sporting event, Decathlon could be the nearest comparison. However, even that would be a misnomer, because sporting events do not teach out of the box or lateral thinking, which an IIT Engineer must learn to do. And for that one's horizons must be broadened.
From: Sachin Mittal Inter IIT
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:16:32 +0530
This is the most bullshit piece of argument ever written. Is this person an IITian, if yes then we do need a new entrance system to keep such idiots out.

Olympics is a multi discipline games and even within each sport there are multi categories.
You just need to be best at your event to excel in olympics.

An entrance process needs and well all round students who can further be trained to become well qualified engineers.

The Olympic argument analogy to entrance process is like say if I solve one problem out of 100 fastest then I should be qualified no mater how I fare in others!!!

The proposed process is a well balanced process to see we have a better quality of students who would be trained at IITs.